<p>Not talking about DSP, its good that they get it.</p>
<p>I guess i'm referring to athletes (any other groups besides this?). How do you feel? I just checked the online schedule and 2 classes that I wanted/needed to take are already full....so sometimes, it kinda irritates me that my phase 1 is so far lol.</p>
<p>what about you guys?</p>
<p>I never thought about it, but I mean I personally don’t know any athletes that I’m good friends with…although it seems like they would get this privilege because they work hard at being an athlete. And that’s supposed to be tough (nothing implied by this statement). It’s hard to say. I’m not sure…but do you know when phase 2 is?</p>
<p>Can you answer my question? I was asked this for CalTV but I didn’t do it because I had mixed feelings and it’s a broad topic. But here it is: Do you think Berkeley lives up to it’s name?</p>
<p>I feel that people who get priority with their telebears appointments need it. The ranking is set up for a reason (DSP for obvious reasons, double majors because they really need to get into classes to finish on time). As far as athletes go, they need an early time so they can get a schedule that doesn’t conflict (or at least as little as possible) with training/practice/etc.</p>
<p>I used to complain about my telebears appointment all the time when I was a freshman, but as each semester passes I get a slightly earlier time, so now it doesn’t bother me anymore. I have only had trouble getting into classes one semester (Chem 3B/L and Physics 8B were filled 2 days before my appointment last Spring). I’m sure that’s not the same for many people though. I can understand where the frustration comes from.</p>
<p>Athletes REALLY need priority registration. Like REALLY. My friend is a chemical engineer who runs track and cross country, and there’s pretty much only one set of discussion/lab sections that would make his schedule for next semester (ChemE 140, Chem 112A, Physics 7B, and EE 100) fit around his running/practice schedule. There’s no way he would be able to get this very particular schedule without priority registration. </p>
<p>If Cal removed priority registration for athletes, we would lose tons of potential recruits who would go to Stanford and other private schools that are easy to get classes at. It would be a really dumb thing to do.</p>
<p>While I agree with the reasoning behind athletes’ priority registration (at least during semesters when team practices are scheduled), it does look like your friend has an exceptionally difficult schedule to build even without the sports, since there are three 3-hour labs to fit in.</p>
<p>Oh, and hats off to him for being able to handle such a schedule while doing sports. It is probably almost like seven courses’ worth of work.</p>
<p>Yeah he is insane. I work pretty much twice as hard to get the same grades as him. He’s almost certain to still have a 4.0 overall through the end of this semester (subject to finals). We’re only freshmen though.</p>
<p>The priority groups are athletes on official teams, students in the disabled student program (DSP), incoming freshmen Regents scholars, seniors with double/simultaneous (or more) majors, then by class level, credits attained, having a declared major, and a lot of random luck, the rest of the school get their timeslots. </p>
<p>Athletes have heavy team practice obligations that constrain the sections of classes they can take. Priority makes sense and their are not all that many compared to the tens of thousands of non-priority students. </p>
<p>Disabled students may need to be in specific sections because that is where a notetaker exists, or they may have situations that demand low stress (e.g. avoiding telebears) or that only certain days or hours are suitable. </p>
<p>The closer someone gets to graduating, the less flexibility they have in what remaining classes they could take, whereas someone with more years can adapt and adjust to handle the filled waitlists and conflicting scheduling while remaining on track to graduate on time. </p>
<p>So yeah, seems reasonable, and the two phases do give everyone more of a chance to get their most critical picks. </p>
<p>Yes, I know when phase II is.</p>
<p>Phase I ends July 13 and Phase II begins July 15th, running thru August 15th.</p>
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<p>Or where some other needed service, such as a sign language interpreter, is available.</p>
<p>As much as I understand why it’s needed, I dislike that athletes get priority enrollment. </p>
<p>Fact is that most athletes are not ChemE majors like Singh’s friend (props on the well rounded friend btw), most are majors that require no real intellectual capabilities and have no real-world application.</p>
<p>Athletes who haven’t proven their academic abilities are in our classes, discussions, and labs despite the fact that the vast majority of them were given exemptions on their high school GPA and SAT. They shouldn’t take seats away from students who are here because of their academics and not their achievements on the field. </p>
<p>This reminds me of Derick Rose on the Chicago Bulls. He’s an amazing basketball player and could possibly be MVP this year. However, he couldn’t even pass the SAT (quite a simple task even for the most stupid kids) and had his grades changed in college. It shows me that ppl care more about sports bringing in $ than academics.</p>
<p>Look at the Ivy League; their sports teams blow yet they are continually the pinnacle of academic excellence. If Berkeley didn’t emphasize athletics so much, I think we could be in the league of some of the great universities like Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and MIT on the undergrad level.</p>
<p>We will never have the resources of Stanford so it’s counterproductive to even try. Just look at how much they increased tuition before slashing funding to athletics like Baseball, gymnastics, rugby, etc. The priority of athletics at Cal reflects the values people on campus hold. Raise tuition before cutting from athletics, priority to athletes then to students (who were admitted for the purpose of going to class, not playing games).</p>
<p>I’ve actually gotten a very good tele-bears appointment since I started here but I guess I just wanted to say my bit and rant. :D</p>
<p>^ Seems like you’re the type that finds it unfair whenever an athlete gets into a college over any person with higher academic stats.</p>
<p>I think there are some other questions you should be asking if you’re unhappy about an athlete taking your spot in a class that requires “no real intellectual capabilities and have no real-world application”. I don’t think you’re going to get much sympathy from the ChemE’s about how you had a hard time getting into one of your gravy train classes and it’s the athlete’s fault.
Unless you’re not actually taking these classes, but in that case why be sympathetic about it?</p>
<p>Regents students getting priority registration is complete BS though, I’ve never really been impressed by any R&C scholar I’ve met/heard about.</p>
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<p>Then the fact that those athletes get priority registration should have no bearing on you getting the courses you want, since you are presumably not choosing a major or courses that require no real intellectual capabilities and have no real-world application, right? (Then again, a lot of non-athlete Berkeley students won’t go anywhere near any course in singh2010’s friend’s schedule anyway.)</p>
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<p>Not all of the Ivy League (which is an NCAA Division I conference, which means that their sports are probably better than those of NCAA Division II and III schools) sports teams are awful. For example, consider [these</a> rankings](<a href=“http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/rowing/d1]these”>http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/rowing/d1), where Ivy League teams are ranked 1, 6, 11, 12, and 16.</p>
<p>I’m a senior with 2 majors and I certainly did not get priority registration =__= sigh~</p>
<p>I’m kind of bitter about this too :S </p>
<p>But I understand. I tutor athletes and their schedules are super tight. Usually, they can only take specific classes so they need to get the class/discussion they want…</p>
<p>Quite frankly, I don’t care too much about them. If they can benefit from priority registration, great. However, considering that TeleBears is in two phases, I’ve never had issues getting into the classes I wanted.</p>
<p>indiscreetmath, i agree with you about the regents. i know a couple, they aren’t really impressive. sure they are taking like “MCB” or “eecs” majors or whatever, but they don’t strike me as the “genius” or impressive type. and a lot of people from my old high school are coming in as regents…quite a couple actually cheated throughout hs…so idk what the deal is. but whatever, life is unfair, and the two classes that i need are full. FUUUU</p>
<p>I’m a declared double major and my Telebears is on the 25th so I’m *<strong><em>ed off as well. I intend to graduate by Spring 2012 but 2 classes that I need for my major that are only offered in the Fall are already full. That’s just ridiculous. It’s times like these that make me feel that coming to Berkeley was a *</em></strong>ing terrible decision. Considering the amount of tuition I’m paying as an international student, I should have just gone to a private college instead. At least I would be to get in the classes that I want over there.</p>
<p>Back on topic: I think it’s fine that athletes get priority registration since they have extremely tight schedules that they need to work around. I don’t think there are that many (if any) athletes in my majors anyway. But why do Regents’ scholars deserve priority registration anyway?</p>
<p>who knows copperback lol. life is unfair…but yeah, got to push on through and deal with this stuff.</p>
<p>Regents scholars get priority registration because the university views them as the top incoming students (whether or not they are is a different story), who would go to other schools if the priority registration wasn’t available here. This would decrease the quality of the incoming class (at least in the university’s view), which is something that the university obviously doesn’t want.</p>
<p>And as a side note, many of you are saying that the regents scholars you know aren’t top students. Well, I would argue that you don’t know the best regents scholars. Every regents scholar I know from my graduating high school class (granted, this is only five people, all in math/science/engineering majors though), currently has a 4.0, albeit after only one semester. Obviously there are many non-regents scholars that also have 4.0’s, but I think it’s safe to say that many regents scholars are very good students.</p>
<p>In general, regents are chosen because they have higher stats. Now, this does mean that the average regent is probably a better student than the average non-regent, but at the same time, since high school stats don’t mean that much here, a lot of regents are nothing special.</p>
<p>Anyways, the real problem is over-enrollment. If there’s too many people here, then somebody will have to get screwed for classes.</p>