How does Brown compare to these places

<p>Hi guys,</p>

<p>So I have a question about where I should apply early. My four favorites are BROWN, GEORGETOWN, UVA, and DUKE. I can’t decide which I should apply to early. My goal is to find a favorite and apply early to it. If I can’t narrow it down I will apply to Georgetown (and maybe another couple EA schools) early because it is EA, and the others RD. I want to find a favorite though?because if an ED school is actually my favorite then I will have a better shot early. Please give me some info on Brown and what you guys think it is like compared to these places.</p>

<p>I know the stats and I don’t care which ranks higher on this or that list of the country’s best colleges. I have been to the campuses and know just how beautiful they all are. I want to know what it is like to be at the schools and what you guys think of them. I care about student life, the experience, and the preparation for after college. I want to have fun, make great friends, learn a lot, be involved in school spirit, party, work hard, etc. </p>

<p>If you guys could give me any sort of input on the schools and your experiences with them that may help me out. I know it ultimately comes down to my preference but I thought that you all being the knowledgeable people that you are could shed some light on the four schools. I can get a great education at all four of these schools, where can I have a great college experience?</p>

<p>Any info helps, be biased, be opinionated, be truthful, just help me out.</p>

<p>Oh yeah, I thought maybe adding some info about myself might help, but I don’t really need you guys to tell me the best fit for me, I just want your personal input on the colleges. Either way here is some stuff about me:</p>

<p>-Attend a northeastern prep/boarding school
-Like math and science less than English and history
-Like sports a lot, play for fun. Love Frisbee
-Prefer small classes in which I can be involved
-Don’t want to get lost in a huge confusing place
-Like parties and like to work hard
-Like to take the lead in clubs, class, etc
-Love music (play 4 instruments.) and listening too</p>

<p>Not sure if this helps, but hey, whatever, any input from you guys helps.</p>

<p>Thanks,
Mike</p>

<p>Well, for me, it came down to a choice between Duke, Dartmouth and Brown. I'd wanted to apply to one of these 3 for ED cos I was having big problems with the Common App essay.</p>

<p>Duke sounded good : great location, solid academics and a beautiful garden. Dartmouth too was attractive, with its campus and prestige. But I opted for Brown cos it promised unequalled flexibility and International Relations, as well as proximity to RISD. So I took my chance, ditched the other apps and applied to Brown alone. And hey, I got in.</p>

<p>Have you decided what you want to study? Cause I think that could be deciding factor to help you decide which school you want to apply ED/EA to?</p>

<p>I want to study.... everything. I want a liberal arts education. I dont want to go into math or hard sciences most likely. Maybw business, maybe poly sci, maybe something else.</p>

<p>Without going into nearly as much detail as you want and deserve, because frankly, I just don't have the time at the moment, everything you said makes you a great fit for Brown. I don't know **** about any of those other schools, but we have some of the best humanities/social science programs in the nation, a good and active frisbee team, there is plenty of partying and fun but it is mostly under control, you will of course learn, this is a top university, the people here are fantastic, the size is great if you want to see a familiar face everywhere but still see tons of people you've never seen before, the history department and english departments frequently have small, seminar like classes that are great, etc etc.</p>

<p>Check out <a href="http://boca.brown.edu%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://boca.brown.edu&lt;/a> and just look through the History, English, AmCiv, PoliSci, and econ courses. See whether those descriptions get you going-- because really, these are the classes you'll be taking here at Brown.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>awesome. thanks so much for the help. I think I could really see myself at Brown. (The only problem is that I could see myself at the other schools too... oh plus I have to get accepted...)</p>

<p>Brown has an amazing liberal arts program, but make sure you dont wanna study business, cause they dont offer that. Georgetown has a great program in Business, as for Duke I really dont know that much about it besides it being in place where whites are dominant and its a good school.
Apply early action somewhere, so you dont regret it later on.</p>

<p>Well I know Brown does not offer a business major but you dont have to go undergrad business to go into an MBA program... but yeah no business school at brown I know.</p>

<p>Also not to defend what I don't know but I hear Duke is getting more diverse lately.</p>

<p>I went to Dartmouth, but I LOVE Brown and have been to both Brown and Duke more than a few times. I also lived at Georgetown for an Internship, and have a great friend who went to UVA. Here's my sense on the four in terms of college experience:</p>

<p>Overall:
Brown
Duke
Georgetown
UVA</p>

<p>Also, I think you would love Dartmouth. Here's a post I wrote comparing Brown vs. Dartmouth. </p>

<p>Posted this on the Dartmouth board but thought it might help here:</p>

<p>This is so close to home, so I guess I'll write alot. Dartmouth/ Brown was my choice as well and I ended up choosing Dartmouth but not after some serious thinking. The funny thing is that even after serious contemplation, I literally could not decide and choose Dartmouth basically after a coin flip of sorts lol! During college I visited Brown probably 7-8 weekends, however, so I know it really well. The great news is there is no wrong choice: I loved Dartmouth more than anything, but I am totally convinced I would have loved Brown just as much. These are by far my two of most favorite schools (throw in Stanford as the other).</p>

<p>1) Academic scene
I don't know much about Brown except the obvious lack of a core. Dartmouth's distributives are very broad so honestly to me it was a benefit if anything in that it forced me to take a couple classes (like Acting for my art) that I might otherwise not have taken. Dartmouth is awesome in terms of teaching and professor engagement, and the school is absolutely focused on the undergrad. I was an anthro major and I got $10K for my thesis research and TWO incredibly active thesis advisors. I literally had some classes with less than five people at the upper levels. Dartmouth professors take you to dinner, they encourage you, and they are amazing. I think part of the reason Dartmouth grads do so well at grad school admissions is the fact that they know their professors so well. Frankly its amazing. I am sure Brown's academics are great too, but Dartmouth does have a terrific LAC-like feel. People love to discard the D-plan but I thought it was awesome. Sophomore summer is most students favorite term and getting to go on two-three study abroads is rare. The only downside I have heard is that the science classes are slightly harder since you have less time to absorb and the pace is slightly faster. </p>

<p>2) Campus location and closest city/town location
In my opinion Brown's nearby Thayer Street blows Hanover out of the water. East Providence is hip, cool, and there are alot of great restaurants and it really does cater to students. Providence itself isn't that wonderful, but its awesome in the area where Brown is located. Conversely, Hanover is beautiful but I found the town to be more stodgy and its not catered to students. In terms of the city, Brown wins bigtime.</p>

<p>ON the other hand, Dartmouth's location in the mountains is amazing. The outdoor access is awesome, people ski during the winters on the skiway, jump in the river in summers. To be honest only a select group of students are into the hardcore outdoors. Its the casual outdoor stuff like snowball fights during the winter, riding your bike through the beautiful fall leaves, the swimming in the river during summers, BBQs by houses on the river, the awesome stars when you are out at night, etc, etc. During the summer the campus feels like a magical summer camp, during the winters its charming and warm. </p>

<p>3) Social scene
Brown is very active socially. The dorms restrictions are very lax so first-year parties abound. There are house parties, frat parties, bars, and people even venture downtown to clubs. Its a more cliquey scene, however. Different groups tend to stick together more, so its less community oriented. Its safe to say I think that people walk away with great friends, but it feels more like a University than Dartmouth. </p>

<p>Dartmouth is very community oriented. The Greek scene is huge, but its unlike any other greek scene anywhere. The houses are all open for parties to everyone and there's actually a campus list publishing the big parties that weekend. What usually happens is there will be two-three big dance parties a night plus lots of houses will have smaller groups hanging out. The cool thing is there is usally alot of energy as everyone is going to the same key places or are at least aware of the big parties. Its absolutely open and everyone is absolutely friendly. In addition to the greek scene there is a house party scene, smaller gatherings in dorms, plus niche scenes like the organic farm crowd or the Ledyard Canoe club crowd. The nights are full of activity. Dartmouth's downside might be that its jock culture does have power with the frats, places like Chi Heorot, Theta Delt, and Psi U are centered around sports teams and I think this can intimidating. The upside is there is a large social scene outside these places.</p>

<p>I think its safe to say Brown has smaller gatherings for niche groups (although there are big parties!), while Dartmouth has bigger parties that everyone goes to all the time. </p>

<p>4) Campus population
Both are equally diverse, although Dartmouth is conceived as less diverse than Brown the truth is its actually slightly more diverse. But since its smaller the sheer number of members of these groups is smaller so there is less "minority cliqueyness." In this way its amazing, people interact between groups at Dartmouth amazingly well. Yet I think some minority groups find comfort in sticking together and someone who grew up only hanging out with a particular minority crowd might like Brown more. Also, Brown does "feel" more international in terms of student makeup. </p>

<p>In terms of student politics I would say there is a huge overlap of "liberal" students at both. Dartmouth is more accepting of people with a conservative (libertarian) point of view, but overall I'd say 75-80% of Dartmouth is liberal while 85-90% of Brown is liberal. Frankly its not that large a difference. </p>

<p>Overall thought the students at Dartmouth overwhelmingly are the playful, fun loving, brilliant type. People tend to play down themselves which is great and refreshing among the Ivies. My experience with Brown students is that they are very similar but a little more "edgy."</p>

<p>5) I like journalism and theater.. which school is better at these?
No idea. But Dartmouth does have great theater and actively supports it. I am sure Brown does as well, maybe better, maybe worse. My guess is both are equally respected in the journalism field. </p>

<p>Hope this helps!</p>

<p>To get a feel for assorted colleges, try looking at the ratings and comments at <a href="http://www.studentsreview.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.studentsreview.com&lt;/a>. Also go to a bookstore and read the entries in some of those "what these colleges are really like" books.</p>

<p>Have you looked through the course catalogs for these schools? One might jump out at you as having all the things you are interested in. Or you might find an absence of courses in a particular area at a particular school. I don't know of any business classes at Brown, for instance -- unless they are hiding in some department I've never found.</p>

<p>What are your feelings about the open curriculum? Some love this. Others find this makes them nervous.</p>

<p>How important are big time athletics to you? </p>

<p>Something about Georgetown recently in the news -- <a href="http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2006/08/28/gtown%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2006/08/28/gtown&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I don't know if the religious atmosphere, or lack thereof, is of any importance to you. Just something to look into, if you feel you would be more or less comfortable in different environments ... if you are indifferent, then never mind!</p>

<p>Id apply to Brown unless youre instate for UVA and can get into Echols.</p>

<p>^Duke is as diverse as Brown</p>

<p>If you are thinking about professional school placement or recruiting I'd tihnk Duke and Brown would be tied, however, I think socially you'd be a good fit at Duke, whereas others think you'd be a good fit socially at Brown....I think both are good (I posted on your other thread too)</p>

<p>Also, I was UVA Echols, its really not that much better than normal UVA so unless your instate I'd recomend Brown or Duke</p>

<p>I'm not instate at UVA but I am legacy... so what does that mean in terms of your advice?</p>

<p>It means that UVA is no cheaper for you so it's not worth it because value is a big issue with that school-- while UVA is a WONDERFUL school, if you're not in on the value side of things, it's far less appealing. At least that's what my guess is from what he's saying.</p>

<p>Though I am far from rich, I didn't wory about money when making my choices.</p>

<p>Though Duke is rather diverse, I have heard that there is major tension amongst students-- very black vs. white, etc there.</p>

<p>While I can't speak for Brown, I can tell you a little about UVA. In Virginia, there's basically two kinds of incoming college freshmen: those who love UVA, and those who hate it. </p>

<p>UVA is an awesome school, good in everything from architecture to business to Russian language/history. The campus is gorgeous, Charlottesville is a cute town, and there is a large international presence too. However, the people who hate UVA usually cite these reasons for disliking it -- the student population. It's kind of a party school, not sure about frats, and a lot of the students are accused of being really "snobby" (one example that everyone cites: girls wear pearl necklaces and guys wear bow ties to show school spirit or something?). But since UVA has a pretty sizeable population (and since you'll probably find snobs everywhere), you can definitely find your own niche; I know a ton of people who don't fit the "preppy" stereotype and ended up loving UVA. UVA and Brown seem like they'd have very different atmospheres, though. </p>

<p>One thing that bothers me about UVA is that I know a lot of people who go there, and they've cheated their way to a 4.0+ gpa and bs'd a lot of their extracurriculars (i.e. signing up for honor societies but lying about doing the hours). So you might find UVA to be a lot less intellectual than Brown, who knows.</p>

<p>Hahah a lot of cheating? So much for the strict honor code.</p>

<p>And even out of state i will save a few thousand dollars a year at UVA. Though money is not really a factor. I am not super rich, but my family can foot the bill and puts a high value on my education. :)</p>

<p>In terms of diversity, the NAACP and Black Enterprise rank colleges based on how good the school is for African American students - Duke ranks in the top 10 private schools in both rankings, and is ahead of Brown on each. So I'm not sure how much basis saying Duke has diversity issues is...however, I guess Duke might have a wealthier student body in general that creates some tensions but I think this is a problem at most schools.</p>