<p>we all know nyu is a little bit better than bu. and ofcourse stern is the reason why. however, in premed and other categories, how is bu compared to nyu? is bu better for other categories than nyu? and since bu is on the rise, is it going to rise the way nyu has in the last 10-15 years? and finally, does bu hav more name recognition than university of rochester (and is rochester better than bu?)?.......thankss in advance</p>
<p>If you aren't a Business major, I would say Rochester, NYU and BU are all equally respected and equally good. I would say among common people, NYU is more famous, but in academic and professional circles, they are all roughly the same. I would recommend you go with your gut.</p>
<p>and Babson is on par with Umich too in academic circles.</p>
<p>no Babson is definetely NOT on par in any academic field with University Michigan. Considering Babson only does business University of Michigan's business program is so much greater that the two are not even worth comparing,</p>
<p>For most academic departments, NYU and Rochester have a much better reputation than Boston University. For almost all the humanities and most social sciences I would recommend NYU over Rochester. For the sciences (especially Chemistry, Biology, and Physics) I would recommend Rochester if we are going solely on academic reputation.</p>
<p>However, a much better question you should be asking yourself, is if you would rather be in Boston, New York, or Rochester since that is the primary difference between the three schools.</p>
<p>Jon</p>
<p>I too agree that the 3 are very similar and each would provide an excellent educatioon and college experience. Neither is necessarily "better" than the other since it is a matter of each having pros and cons and fit being the real factor. So its a matter of which one feels like a better fit for you and what your feeling is about Boston vs. NYC vs. Rochester.</p>
<p>If you want music, communications, or engineering, BU is much better than NYU; for music and engineering, Rochester is better than either.</p>
<h1>1. NYU does not have an engineering school anymore, only a five year joint program with Stevens Institute of Technology. Participants get a B.A. in three years from the College of Arts and Sciences at NYU and then a B.E. from Stevens Tech in two years. It is well regarded and extremely difficult to be accepted.</h1>
<h1>2. Music is too broad to make simple distinctions (BU is better than NYU.) I would recommend NYU over BU only for Piano, all Jazz, Musical Theater, Musicology, Ethnomusicology, music education and Bagpipes. For composition, they are about even. For all other instruments (i.e. violin, flute, clarinet, oboe, etc.) I recommend Boston University. The Eastman School of Music at the University of Rochester has a far superior music department in all fields to Boston University and NYU but students do not receive a good liberal arts education since it is very difficult to take courses at the College of Arts and Sciences at the University of Rochester. In general a liberal arts education is very important today because unlike twenty-thirty years ago one cannot rely on solely a career in music. I recommend Oberlin, Northwestern, Carnegie Mellon, Indiana University, University of Illnois at Champaign Urbana, and UCLA as well as NYU and BU for a great music program where a good liberal arts education can be had.</h1>
<h1>3. Not sure about communication studies in the schools. The people who majored in journalism and communication at NYU found that the internship was the most valuable part of their education. So if you are interested in communication at any school, I recommend asking what kind of internships are possible.</h1>
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<li><p>Therefore if you aspire to be an engineer, NYU is not a good choice unless you're interested in the 3-2 program.</p></li>
<li><p>As your arguments reveal, for the majority-- though admittedly not for all-- applicants, BU is the stronger choice for music than NYU, because of its exceptional orchestral program. Also, I would be a little hesitant to call Eastman FAR superior to BU music-wise in ALL areas. BU has truly great faculty members in oboe, flute, violin, viola, cello, bass, horn, trumpet, piano, composition, and conducting. As for liberal arts, though, BU doesn't make it too easy. The liberal arts courses music students take tend to be filled up with other non-liberal arts majors, and are not enormously rigorous; double-majoring is extremely difficult, and the campus is very spread out.</p></li>
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<p>Fiddlefrog:</p>
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<li><p>I absolutely agree with you. NYU does not have an engineering school and unless you want a small program, spending an extra year, and getting two degrees, I don't recommend applying there.</p></li>
<li><p>The music faculty in the Northeast will be great regardless of where you go. It's just that hard to get a faculty position anywhere so the people who do get positions are the tops in their instruments. The most important thing when dealing with a music department is the individual teacher and how well you get along with the teacher.</p></li>
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<p>Fiddlefrog: do you or did you go to BU for music?</p>
<p>I think over-all though, Rochester and NYU are better schools than BU, when it comes down to it...more prestige, better departments, better attention. Yeah, earlier it was stated that you will have better humanities at NYU over University of Rochester, but I dont think that is true for Social sciences in that PolySci at Rochester is truly up there with the other elite schools...whereas I dont htink NYU has as much recognition there. True, Stern is truly amazing...but I dont think you will be applying to just stern, and the business you'll be getting from CAS at NYU will also be lacking compared to University of Rochester.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, I'm a future premed, and I was having this issue with NYU VS Rochester for early decision, BU was on my RD list if i got rejected, but Rochester won ED because it has an elite Premed program much better than NYU, and I liked that they had an approachable polysci/finance department.</p>
<p>jonw222-- I'm going to be a freshman violin major at BU in the fall. I'm sorry if that lends some bias to my views, but I did very thorough research, and I do feel somewhat qualified to say what I'm saying.</p>
<p>I was just curious what your relationship with the school was. I have one friend who is in the masters program for clarinet at BU, another who received a double major in harpsichord and collaborative piano and another who majored in voice. (The harpsichord and collaborative piano masters student is now in the same Ph.D. program at NYU.)</p>
<p>If you came to me and asked me if you should go to BU or NYU for violin, I would have overwhelmingly said BU. As I said before, what NYU's music does well, they do really well, but other instruments can be left out. There are very few violin majors and the orchestra is definitely not worth one's attention.</p>
<p>JW</p>
<p>Would it be safe to say Eastman school at University of Rochester is better than BU and NYU? I'm a science major so I have no idea about music, just curious because I heard Eastman was one of the better music schools in the nation, tied/second to Julliard.</p>
<p>Although all three are great schools, I would say for science/premed, BU is the best of the three. First of all, BU is very close to harvard medical school/longwood medical area and MIT, which would provide u with unbeatable volunteering and research opportunities. Many of the science professors at BU are leaders in their fields. BU also has a great and rapidly expanding BME program.</p>
<p>KhAn_T1m:</p>
<p>The very difficult problem with ranking schools of music is that about 75% of a student's impression of a school is through their private teacher. For piano (since I'm a pianist), Juilliard is by far the best school in the nation (possibly the world). Eastman, Curtis Institute, the Manhattan School of Music (since so many of the faculty teach at Juilliard as well) are very great as well. However, at Juilliard (or any other school for that instance), if you come there and you don't like your teacher, your only refuge is to transfer schools. Teachers are just that territorial.</p>
<p>tero771: Although I find the hard science program to be the weakest of the three big fields (humanities, social sciences, and sciences), it has the same kind of science and pre-med opportunities that you cite for Boston University. My brother was interested in going to these schools, and has information from all three about med school and graduate school acceptance rates. Rochester had the highest proportion going to these graduate schools, followed by NYU, followed by BU.</p>
<p>Jon</p>
<p>check this out, i am curious what you guys think
<a href="http://brodyadmissions.com/college/resources/college_rankings.php%5B/url%5D">http://brodyadmissions.com/college/resources/college_rankings.php</a></p>
<p>Terro, I really dont agree with you, and must take the side of jonw; BU is definitely the weakest of the three...Rochester is a much better feeder when it comes to med school/graduate school and the prestige of the premed program. Prestige comes from the fact that there is a top rated hospital IN campus, with many classes for undergrad IN the hospital...including a majority of your research for BME. Rochester is also spending quite a pretty penny in building a BME and medical optics campus with new labs and just a new overall concentrated look into BME, they did similar things for the optics department, and that concentration got them to having the number 1 department in the world. I think they are well in their way of attaining a top position in BME, more rapidly than say schools like BU...BU still needs to compete with schools Case Western Reserve Univ., University of Illinois-Urbana Champagne, Cornell, Emory, and all the other big-time research schools, if it wants to come in the vicinity of Rochester, as these schools are really the elite BME/science/Pre-med aura schools in America. In summation, when I was a junior/early senior I was researching avidly for a good premed school, and a good BME/hospital-linked research school..BU definitely didnt top the list. It's a decent school, just doesnt have much of the same rep as Rochester or NYU...it's definitely on the rise though, so whatever I just said may be heresy in the next 5 years ;)</p>
<p>Jonw22: Man, music seems like a really challenging field to study in...or better yet find a decent school to study it in :)</p>
<p>KhAn_T1m:</p>
<p>I don't know how sarcastic your comment was suppoed to be but it is absolutely true. You can't apply to schools like Juilliard, Eastman, Oberlin, Northwestern, Indiana, etc. and just go to the "best" one that accepts you. If you like a violin teacher at BU, for instance, you should definitely go there and disregard <em>everything</em> else since your entire perception of the school will be through that teacher. When I was considering applying for my M.M. in Piano, I only wanted to go to the New England Conservatory because Russell Sherman taught there (he retired and I decided to get a doctorate in musicology instead.)</p>
<p>not sarcastic at all, it's just a totally different college strategy..quite interesting.
but premed, it's safe to say that Rochester is the better of the three..agreed?</p>