<p>I'm probably going to apply to cornell ED this year, and I'm willing to do whatever it takes to get in. I plan to apply to CAS (and pray to get in) and ILR or the Ag School so that I can transfer after my first semester or year.</p>
<p>Can anyone comment about how easy/hard it is to do this? I'm sure this happens pretty often, so my hope is people are informed on the subject.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>it's not terribly difficult - but you'll likely get rejected as ILR and CALS as they can easily pick out those who are just using the school as "backups". 7 people are going to read your essays in ILR alone. Good luck though.</p>
<p>Right, however I really could see myself at either of those schools, to a degree. At the Ag school I'd be interested in the AEM program, and at ILR I'd do Labor Economics and take ECON classes that I'd really be interested in.</p>
<p>It's not as though I'm forging interest in these schools, I'd still rather attend these schools in Cornell for a year and transfer rather than attend another university.</p>
<p>yes, but they're not interested in admitting those just to transfer. We dont know details of the program yet, but my guess it's they may really try to limit internal trasnfering to prevent people applying to schools with higher acceptance rates with just the idea of getting in and then transfering right out.</p>
<p>That's logical, but I doubt they'd limit internal transferring too much. I mean a degree from ILR or Ag is really limited unless one intends to enter those fields. And if, after one year, a student is sure that he wants to switch, I doubt Cornell would box him/her into staying in that school when he/she would be happier somewhere else/studying in CAS. Let's not forget that these are specialized schools, and that even the most passionate students entering them may change their minds and probably have done so countless times.</p>
<p>" I mean a degree from ILR or Ag is really limited unless one intends to enter those fields."
I can already tell you're a step behind. Do some research, you'll be suprised with what you find.</p>
<p>Look, I'm only saying that there's no way that a student who initially wants to study the modern work environment but later decides he wants to study economics will be told "sorry, you have to study the modern work environment since that's the college you were admitted to a year ago."</p>
<p>I just don't see it. If Cornell didn't have a policy that enabled its students to transfer internally if they honestly felt that they'd be better off in CAS or ILR, it would lose tons of students in transfers. The school can't expect the parents to spend 40k or so to send their kids to a school they don't want to learn in.</p>
<p>Gomestar's point is that you DON'T just study the modern work environment in ILR. The curriculum is a lot more comprehensive than that.</p>
<p>right, and if you show this kind of shallow intelligence about the school, you will be rejected. </p>
<p>The way I think they're going to run it is by considering all students for their top choice, but in a VERY limited bases, also allow for serious review by the second choice school.</p>
<p>I just don't buy it anyway. If I came in as an ILR freshman and after two years I realize I'm passionate about creative writing, they're not going to reject me because then I and plenty of others would just transfer out.</p>
<p>Are you blind to this simple logic? Cornell would be idiotic to deny people the right to transfer out of a school that has a narrow curriculum such as ILR if they should at some point realize that Industrial Labor Relations is no longer their passion.</p>
<p>And I don't care just how "comprehensive" the school is - that's irrelevant. What if I decide after one year and $40,000 that, frankly, labor relations is a boring field in general? What if after taking Microecon 101 in my first semester I decide that I could be really successful in economics and that that's the better field for me? You honestly think that I'd be told "I'm sorry young man, but you're in the ILR school and you were admitted because one year ago we determined that you loved this field enough to invest four years and approximately $200,000 in it. Now if you want to study economics, go take your mind and your wallet to some other college."?
Doubt it.</p>
<p>Look, I realize that you're already in at Cornell and all that and that it's your school. But this is just common sense.</p>
<p>"I just don't buy it anyway."
Then that's your problem, not ours.</p>
<p>"If I came in as an ILR freshman and after two years I realize I'm passionate about creative writing, they're not going to reject me because then I and plenty of others would just transfer out."
but you're not 'realizing' after 2 years that your passion is creative writing. </p>
<p>"Are you blind to this simple logic?"
No, but you've missed the whole picture all together. You're saying Cornell will let people transfer between schools (funny how you all of a sudden know so much about the answer to your own thread), and I'm saying you're a long shot for ILR since you dont know much about the school and only plan to use it for a backup. They're excellent at weeding out applicants like yours in the first place, your essays, courses, clubs, interests can all point to the fact that you're not genuinely interested. The story for ILR isn't how many 2400's get in, it's how many don't get in - there's plenty, trust me. After all ... I work for ILR admissions.</p>
<p>Great you work for ILR admissions. It doesn't really matter to me, because I haven't asked you about my admissions chances, which I already know are good because I do have the ECs, can write the essays, etc. I talked to an ILR-graduate and he said that I have all the credentials and offered to write me a rec. Nevertheless, I was asking about how easy or hard it is to transfer in-house - not whether or not it's possible. You see, I already know it's possible - Cornell isn't stupid, as I've already said. I was simply asking if it is a long and tedious process, or a quick 30-minute application process that rejects only 2% of its applicants. I've gotten my answer from you "it's not terribly difficult". And, to be frank, I don't really want to hear from you anymore. Great - you work at ILR, but I want to hear it from students who have gone through the process, as I'm sure many have.</p>
<p>"which I already know are good"</p>
<p>no, they aren't. You dont even know what ILR teaches.</p>
<p>You're wrong; I do know what ILR teaches.</p>
<p>if you did, you would have said a bunch of things differently in this thread alone.</p>
<p>Doesn't really matter, I'm more likely applying to CALS for AEM. That's been the plan from the outset, really. This thread turned into an ILR discussion for whatever reason. I'm actually really considering CALS AEM as a possible major for me. </p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for your help, gomestar. I've actually decided against applying to ILR after reading your posts and reading some of its literature I realize that the politics behind it are not in line at all with my thinking.</p>
<p>Is it especially hard to get into CALS if I make it clear that if I were admitted I'd study AEM? I'm sure it is, right? I'm sure that the AEM program within CALS is just as competitive as CAS - can anyone speak to that?</p>
<p>Admissions rate was 16% for AEM in 2006. It fluctuates, because it has been lower in recent years. The acceptance rate for CAS was around 14.6% in 2006. </p>
<p>Admission rates tell very little about your individual chance because aside from the usual grades, SATs and high school courses taken - Cornell looks at applications holistically. It would be a bonus if you can show a proven interest in business and strong quantitative skills for admission to AEM.</p>
<p>What's the acceptance rate for ILR?</p>
<p>last year it was like 35%, though that was due to a huge drop in yield after a rather important person retired in recruitment and to the fact that it was the strongest class ever (class strength and yield are inversely related). </p>
<p>this year, I'm expecting it to be way lower. Word around the office has been estimates of a 175-225 increase in applications to the ILR school with a big emphasis placed on the recruitment void from last year. the numbers should be released soon, we'll see.</p>