<p>It's a 9 for DD. We'll see if this comes true in April.</p>
<p>It seems logical to plug in the writing score as one of the 3 subject tests, since the writing section of SAT reasoning test is commonly regarded as a replacement for the old writing subject test. What is really interesting about the AI is how much it can depend on whether a high school ranks its students.</p>
<p>Your logic take the AI then from 228 to 230. This gets him on the edge of the 9 status. I am not sure what difference a 8 or 9 makes. EC's, essays, and teacher evaluations are still important if many applicants this year have 8's or 9's. Hopefully, the intangibles show through.</p>
<p>Again, I take this with a grain of salt. I entered all of my information. My school does not give out rank. I'm in the top 2.5 percentile, so the calculator doesn't even have an actual value for me. With top 10 percentile, I have a score of 202, which puts me at a 3. If I use my actual weighted GPA, I have a score of 215 or a 5, an average chance. My school uses standard weighting, so it may be a decent number. At this point, if I'm supposed to go by this thing, then I have a 208, after averaging and rounding down, which is average.</p>
<p>The second thing is that this AI does not factor in the new SAT and the different SAT II requirements. So, either it has changed or they don't use this anymore.</p>
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<p>Using the writing score as one of my subject tests give me 4 with a score of 203. Doing the same with weighted GPA gives me a 6 with a score of 216. I think this is pretty much garbage, if you can manipulate this to get these kinds of fluctuations. However, right now, I'm going with average chance of getting in simply based on my numbers, but really, I'm banking on my essays and extracurricular activities, which people have said are very strong. In the end, I'll end up where I'm meant to be.</p>
<p>tux08902, I agree. It's very easy to manipulate. If I put in top 10% of class, I get a 4 out of 9. If I put in a GPA of 4.3+, I get a 7. The difference between a 4 and a 7 pretty big.</p>
<p>you are all making a very true point--the ai is easy to manipulate in many respects. admission's officers know this. what they do is factor in certain things that don't go directly into that equation. for example, sometimes, they'll bump you up a point here or there. for example, say you get a 200 on your math iic and then a 5 on your ap bc calc test--they then know that you really are quite a whiz at math so they may bump your score. </p>
<p>furthermore, they try to compare you not so much within your school, but within the entire aplicant pool. this means that they factor in rigor of courses relative to other applicants, so your rank could potentially be bumped up/down depending on how tough the classes are you have taken. </p>
<p>my apologies if i'm being unclear. moral of the story: as hernandez says in a is for admission, there are certain ways to override the ai, and the exactness of your score is somewhat uncertain, and this is factored in. ai is important, but hardly everything.</p>
<p>Yeah, i agree. I'm really not the best at all on my SATs, but i got 5's on AP US History, AP English Language, and AP AB Calculus. However, I have a 690 CR and 710 M on the SAT. And a 690 US HIstory SAT II(i don't know how this happened. i took it right after i got the 5 on the AP). The only SAT II i did really well on was French, with a 790. So i hope colleges will take other things into account.</p>
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<p>This may actually be true for Dartmouth. Penn and some of the other Ivies look at you within the context of your school. Of course, I doubt that some (un)intentional general comparison doesn't take place.</p>
<p>Plus, everyone that I've talked to has said that a 4 looks really good on AP tests. So, a 5 looks great. My APs and SAT IIs are good, but my SAT CR is not that great. I'm just banking on other test scores and other things to get me into one of the better schools that I like.</p>
<p>I got a 7 but after reading the discussions above I think I should do away with the hope I have of getting in...</p>
<p>It seems as if Dartmouth is numbers driven. It has higher SAT's than Brown even though Brown accepts a smaller percentage of students. Brown must be looking at different factors than Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Brown University has a reputation for being very holistic. I've posted a chance thread on the Brown board before. My GPA is very good. My test scores are not. With my extracurriculars and a brief description of my essays and recommendations, most Brunians who replied said that I had a good chance of getting in. And, it seems that Dartmouth is actually the most numbers-driven out of all the Ivies, and it's certainly disheartening.</p>
<p>Brown has more essays while Dartmouth does not. It has the peer supplement though, not quite the same as an extra essay. So Brown maybe counting on other part of the application to decide on a candidate.</p>
<p>Wait, you think Dartmouth is more numbers driven then ALL the other ives, even Harvard and Yale? because it seems to me that the people at dartmouth are generally more well rounded and easy going than those at some of the other ives, at least according to the students that i've talked to (including one who transferred from columbia to dartmouth). So that really surprises me that all of you think Dartmouth is the most focused on numbers. And, isn't their SAT range lower than that of other schools?</p>
<p>^ I agree with asfe3. Just because you won't probably get in(I hope you do, Good Luck) because of your scores (You know it) labeling Dartmouth as 'number driven' isn't right. And even if they are number driven, they are doing a pretty good job of putting a well rounded class together.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that the AI is only part of your admission. All Ivy League schools use some version of an academic index to evaluate students on a rating of a 1-9, for schools like Prniceton a 1-5, etc. Just because the AI is based on numbers, however, does not mean that Dartmouth is any more numbers driven than any other school. Without a doubt, Dartmouth takes one of the more holistic approaches.</p>
<p>Dartmouth is 'THE' college!</p>
<p>I think Dartmouth is more numbers-driven than even Yale, Harvard, and Princeton. Let's take the example of Harvard. Harvard rejects nearly half of the applicants who have a perfect score on critical reading and math in the first review. Who knows how many more of those perfect scorers they reject in the second round. And, you can assume that many of those perfect scorers also have a strong grade-point average. In that respect, they are definitely less numbers-driven than Dartmouth.</p>
<p>I think Dartmouth's admission process is more numbers driven but that does not mean the students at Dartmouth are not well rounded. Why does it have to be exclusive?</p>
<p>Nobody said that Dartmouth students aren't well-rounded, even though they have better numbers than some students accepted at other Ivy League schools.</p>
<p>I think the only reason Dartmouth is more numbers-driven is because it is a smaller school. Dartmouth has to accept a smaller number of students while reaching their target SAT average. If a school like Penn or Cornell or even Brown accepts someone with an 1800, they have more chances to negate that scores effect on the entire average.</p>
<p>I would suggest that the differential between Dartmouth's and Brown's test scores is insignificant. For all statistical intents and purposes, the scores are equal.</p>
<p>From each college's common data set, </p>
<p>SAT 25%-75% M/CR/W:</p>
<p>Brown - 680-770; 670-760; 650-760</p>
<p>Dartmouth - 680-780; 670-770; 670-770</p>