how is it plausable to afford out-of-state tuition?

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<p>OK...I'm confused. Is "your family" wife/kids? If so, wouldn't they join you at your new OOS location whether it's for attending college OR getting a job one year in advance? If you are planning to go OOS, you will need to relocate at some point anyway. I'm suggesting you relocate the year prior to enrolling in college. I'm afraid I don't understand how this would affect your family situation.</p>

<p>I have several things going right now, I'm not going to put all my eggs in one basket</p>

<p>1) I'm working with some contacts in OU on getting work there, and moving out that way. I will go to OCCC and take some more math and physics courses to enhance my ability, and also since they're likely transferrable it will open my schedule up to more electives. My family will come out as soon as I'm established. By getting a job and going to OCCC first, it should get around any "tuition dodging" suspicion and also show that I do intend to establish residency there.</p>

<p>2) Failing that, I will continue to bargin and plan to either get into MIU, or to go the CUP -> MIU route.</p>

<p>3) As a final resort, i'm going to fire an app to UND and keep my options open and residency there as well.</p>

<p>Those are my best options, and right now I just have to wait. I'm going to try some tricks I learned to get employment where it'd help me. </p>

<p>If any of these work, I'll definately write something up because I'm sure there are people in situations like this that might have lost hope.</p>

<p>take a look at the out of state tuition for the community college -- it can sometimes be expensive. Also check and see if there are any transfer type scholarships. Where I am, they have a good scholarship for people who take CC classes and then transfer. Also check at the CC for any programs for former military -- it seems that CC's seem to have more things in place.</p>

<p>You sound like you have a good plan -- also check out cost of living and housing costs, since sometimes that can make or break it!</p>

<p>Talked to a friend there, he says wages are low, but the cost of living is affordable. </p>

<p>i have a trick up my sleeve, going to see how it pans out... it'll take at least a few days to find out if it works or not.</p>

<p>as for OCCC, OOS it runs just shy of $200 per credit hour. I won't be going full time, it'll only be specific classes that'll transfer towards my degree, so I'm going to take my time and research the classes I choose. If things go well, I'll be able to pull in 2 semesters, possibly 3 if I include the summer.</p>

<p>with FAFSA giving me an EFC of zero, it'll be pretty much free to go as it usually is.</p>

<p>Jcampbell posted about the benefits of the academic common market. I just heard that UGA is now going to make the common market available only to out of state juniors and seniors, because of a great deal of abuse. Students from out of state were coming to UGA listing some major that their state doesn't offer, coming here and promptly changing their major. Shame that a few bad apples ruin it for others.....</p>

<p>NY state proposed replacing some grant programs with loans that would be paid off if the recipient completed the program satisfactorily. The response was screams of "unfair". I did not think it was a bad idea at all. If you don't make the cut early, then you owe something but not a whole lot. If you get through the program, your loan is a grant. No reason why the state should fund failure or insincerity.</p>

<p>That's one of the reasons I assume OU went from offering Meteorology on the ACM to only offering graduate programs (which Florida and Texas has done also)</p>

<p>I'm a bit upset about it, because the ACM was supposingly open to allow in-state tuition for students taking majors not available in thier state, but it's turning into a program limited to upperclassmen only.</p>

<p>So, the top 3 meteorology universities: Oklahoma, Florida, and A&M are off limits.</p>

<p>a couple weeks ago I mailed a letter to the Dean of Atmospheric Sciences explaining the situation, and asking if there was anything to be done, even if it was just a job to establish residency...no response.</p>

<p>CUP sent me a nice packet, even though I haven't paid the application fee, so it's looking like I might be going there for thier generous OOS tuition, only to transfer to Millersville (which had a better Meteorology program) then on to OU for graduate studies.</p>

<p>I don't see why the bursar at Millersville doesn't see the fact that they're losing money by not considering granting me in-state rates..</p>

<p>I go to CUP, they get about $12,000 for a year that would otherwise go to them, which by then I will have established residency (since I'm an independent student and will be working and possibly living off campus) only to transfer to Millersville with in-state rates...the reason I'd transfer is because CUP only offers a B.S. in Earth Science with a focus in Met programs, while Millersville offers a full Meteorology degree... there's a huge difference in the degree programs, and I want the one that is most meteorology-based.</p>

<p>Also, the University of Alabama in Huntsville is becoming a very respected technology/science based university, and they are part of the ACM-they will definately be an option...especially since I discovered my current GPA is a 3.57 and not the 2.0-ish I was fearing.</p>

<p>oh, as to that, I won't be transferring until the fall of 07 because of the billing issue with my CC. So this spring I'll be taking classes to prepare me for the transfer, and this also gives me several more months to get prepared and apply/get aid for whever I go. It sucks having to wait even longer, so much longer that i'll be 28 [old], however in life I've learned that sometimes having the ability to take your time and get things done without rushing could be better.</p>

<p>oh, and yes...OU is still in the playing field, I have more time to try to get in there and if not, it will be my graduate choice of schools.</p>

<p>since you won't be transferring until next fall and your GPA is better than you thought, take some time to look at scholarships for non-traditional students. With military experience and a desire to pursue a non-typical minor, you might find some additional money out there.</p>

<p>I just got my bill for college. I love it when colleges give you money each quarter, instead of taking it.</p>

<p>Hoo-ah for ROTC!</p>

<p>Just an update:</p>

<p>Turns out CUP is a bit misleading, whereas most college reported costs are on a annual basis, CUP uses a semester basis. So when I saw a ~$4,000 base tuition, it's actually ~$8,000 annually which is about $4,000 less than any other university in regards to OOS tuition.</p>

<p>it's quite a bit, but still much more expensive than I anticipated. The program isn't as good as Millersville... so I have a choice of paying more or getting a lower level of education.</p>

<p>This has been extremely frustrating, and everytime I seem I get a couple steps forward, I end up taking one back. People wonder why the US's education level is falling when opportunities aren't available unless you meet selected criteria.</p>

<p>I wonder how many others gave up and are now working in a career they hate just to be able to afford college. I couldn't live like that.</p>

<p>I went to Millersville for my teacher cert. in mid-90s. I moved from NY to PA. My son was covered by PA Kids insurance plan while I completed my cert (1 and half years). It is extremely affordable to live here. I would definitely think seriously about moving here with your family, setting up residence, and attending Millersville. (They also offer night classes.) For what it's worth...(unemployment level under 3%).</p>

<p>JCampbell -- I know exactly what you mean by frustrating. I am a returning adult student and have gotten conflicting information on classes, programs and financial aid. It has cost me money and time -- but I am still working towards my degree.</p>

<p>It will work out -- you are clearly determined, able to think clearly and willing to jump through some hoops.</p>

<p>lol I know what you mean about time, it's been what, a couple months of almost daily work to even BEGIN to understand and see what is and isn't available.</p>

<p>For one thing, the Academic Common Market and possibly other domestic exchanges ARE A JOKE.</p>

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You live in a state that is a member of the Southern Regional Education Board. </p>

<p>You want to major in a degree program that is not available in your state, but you cannot afford out-of-state tuition. </p>

<p>The Academic Common Market may be the answer: The Academic Common Market offers many possibilities to help you attain your educational goals. </p>

<p>Through the Academic Common Market, students like you pursue and achieve their dreams! </p>

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<p>This is 100% ********.</p>

<p>So far, every program I have tried to apply for the exchange has been in Graduate studies</p>

<p>It seems as though it's now perfectly acceptable to force a person to settle for in-state programs and careers they don't want, or else they have 3 options:</p>

<p>1) pack up and move
2) spend a ton of cash
3) get a time machine to go back to high school and get a merit scholarship</p>

<p>I cannot believe the hypocrisy flowing through the state and national government over education being available.</p>

<p>I am stuck at a CC where I CAN'T EVEN TAKE AN ALGEBRA COURSE!!!</p>

<p>I am so frustrated right now-if you're a HS senior reading this, don't ever put yourself in this situation. If you're thinking about "taking a year off" watch out because that 1 year easily turns into 10.</p>

<p>just a quick update, OU offers a lot of merit and need based aid, and I <em>think</em> my CC just became part of Phi Theta Kappa which means with my GPA there's some more money.</p>

<p>I just need to get this stupid hold off my transcripts so I can send out apps.</p>

<p>another word of advice, plan to spend weeks searching for hidden money... especially if you're on your own like adult students.</p>

<p>in fact, I'm going to ask if maybe they'd put an adult student forum here.</p>

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1. If EFC is truly $0 (have plugged numbers into a calculator; parents situation will count even if they won't contribute),

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If you are not an independent student (stringent rules for becoming one), it doesn't matter what you do for a year. Your state of residency in most cases will be where your parents live until your are 24,

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<p>O.k. Seriously, where are you guys getting this stuff from?
Parents EFC don't matter AT ALL when you are independent.
Independent status only has stringent rules when you are under the "age".
And that age is 23, not 24. </p>

<p>I need to call around more to confirm this, but Georgia tech said that as long as you are independent, you will only pay OOS tuition for the first year.</p>

<p>Here are the rules for whether FAFSA considers the student dependent or independent. The relevant age is 24 years, as has been previously posted. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.fastweb.com/fastweb/resources/articles/index/102402%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.fastweb.com/fastweb/resources/articles/index/102402&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>ok, my bad about the 24 thing. You must understand though, that it DOES include 23 year olds, as long as you are 24 by Dec 31 of the award year. Meaning, many people can receive independent aid at the age of 23 like i have, not necessarily 24.</p>

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It seems as though if you do't have parents to help you, or a nice fund set up, you're screwed."</p>

<p>What I see missing from your posts is a sense of personal responsibility. You say that your grades were "not stellar." You are married, over age 24, have served in the miliitary, have a family and plan to major in meteorology, a field that few places offer.</p>

<p>Frankly, I don't agree with your complaining about not being able to easily get lots of money to attend an out of state university for the field of your choice.</p>

<p>You are old enough to have been able to save money to pursue your dreams. You also could have delayed marriage and a family to do so, and your spouse could be assisting with your college costs. You also could have chosen or could choose to pursue higher education via what the military offers.</p>

<p>As for your dreams of being a meteorologist: My understanding is that it's a science and math-intensive field. I wonder whether you have the skills to be able to make it in that field if your high school grades weren't that good. I also know that if one hasn't taken math courses in a long time, it can take quite a while to be able to catch up.</p>

<p>What's your evidence that you can achieve in that difficult field?</p>

<p>What are you doing to make your dreams come true? What have you already done to make your dreams come true?</p>

<p>If you want in-state tuition, why not move to the state of your choice and establish residency? You've waited this long to go to college, what's wrong with waiting another year or 2?</p>

<p>Throughout your posts are implications that you feel somehow that the world owes you the education of your choice, which I don't think is true.</p>

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<p>Actually, some private colleges ask for information about your parents if you are under 30, even if you are independent. So it could be why there are two sets of info.</p>

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You are old enough to have been able to save money to pursue your dreams. You also could have delayed marriage and a family to do so, and your spouse could be assisting with your college costs. You also could have chosen or could choose to pursue higher education via what the military offers.

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<p>You know, I really can't be bothered to answer this because by your SN I assumed that you'd not be hung up on should've and could've</p>

<p>I could've had straight As. I could have aborted my kids who I love more than life itself. I could have chosen not to marry my current wife. I could have done so much. But I chose otherwise, and to have you say this crap in hindsight is just insulting.</p>

<p>I did not abort my oldest son, and I am so damn happy I didn't. Honestly, that kind of comment is not necessary and I'd appreciate it if you do not post in this thread anymore.</p>

<p>I spent the past 10 years working my tail off to support my family. I lived in NoVA which is about as expensive as the better parts of LA. No, I couldn't just move or pick and choose my career. </p>

<p>My priorities at the time were paying the bills and putting food on the table. There was no money to spare, let alone for my own personal ventures.</p>

<p>ugh..I'm just going to stop now because what I quoted is literally just to ignorant of a comment.</p>

<p>EDIT: I want to throw in.. not everyone has a great life growing up. Not everyone has 2 perfect parents with the nice house, homecooked meals, or a good social situation. I grew up around drug addicts and a school where nobody cared if you weren't from the rich part of the area. my Junior year I attended 1/3 of it and still passed. No counseler at school gave me any hope, any options. I went from a 3.8 Freshman to a 0.6 Junior and nobody gave a ****. not one person- not my parents or my school. The only person who did is my wife... the one you said, "what if you didn't marry her" or asked "what has she done."</p>

<p>She brought me from a 0.6 to a 1.8 in one year. She was the one who showed me I wasn't a worthless alcoholic destined to move from one low level job to another. </p>

<p>I had to find things out for myself. I found out what rock bottom was. I found out what it's like to be homeless. I found out how to push for things. I found out how low you can go, or how high you can go.</p>

<p>SHE has worked while I'm at a CC and do the home wife thing. SHE has pulled double duty while I went through surgery. SHE still got her GED while doing that. SHE has helped me in this stressful time and has supported me every step of the way.</p>

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As for your dreams of being a meteorologist: My understanding is that it's a science and math-intensive field. I wonder whether you have the skills to be able to make it in that field if your high school grades weren't that good. I also know that if one hasn't taken math courses in a long time, it can take quite a while to be able to catch up.</p>

<p>What's your evidence that you can achieve in that difficult field?

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<p>My grades in highschool had nothing to do with my abilities. It had to do with being involved in gangs, drugs, and alcohol. Things I gave up when I met my current wife. I haven't touched drugs or alcohol since 1996.</p>

<p>Right now I'm on the dean's list. in votec I took credit courses in Cisco Internetworking which is very math intensive as well. I was involved in SkillsUSA in which students compete on all levels. I won state, and placed 16th in the nation. Halfway through the year my teacher died, and I taught the class while learning the material the day before by myself. I had all 16 credits applied with a 4.0 average. I was student of the year at my school last year, and also am part of the national technical honor society.</p>

<p>My tested IQ is about 126. I think I have the ability to learn if the opportunity presents itself.</p>

<p>Oh, and an update on the math.. I'm going to accuplace and skip up to a higher level math course that the CC offers for the spring. If interested I'll post if I succeed around the 3rd of Jan.</p>

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<p>I assume you haven't read the thread if you're asking this. This thread is several months long and details what I have done.</p>

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If you want in-state tuition, why not move to the state of your choice and establish residency? You've waited this long to go to college, what's wrong with waiting another year or 2?

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<p>Because I am going into a 6 year program. We moved here and finally am at a place where I can go to school full time, one of the universities is only 4 hours away (Millersville).</p>

<p>We are settled here, and moving to another state just to establish residency might put us back in a spot to where I cannot afford to go to school.</p>

<p>EDIT #2: I do not feel it would be wise to wait 2 years from a JC to a 4-year, especially since I would not be taking any more classes to help in my field.</p>

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<p>where have I ever implied anything is owed to me?</p>

<p>I've worked for everything I have.</p>

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<p>As a general update, I am waiting for my transcripts to eb sent and a reply from several schools. I've also applied to WVU which is in state as my backup safety. It won't be in the field I want, but will allow me to enhance my education into a viable career.</p>

<p>I have also applied for several scholarships and PTK, which in addition to the transfer scholarships and need-based aid will cover almost all of my tuition.</p>

<p>The rest I can pay for in work study or with part time employment.</p>

<p>The things I have learned is to use google, use the searches on the school sites, find and use everything that can possibly be useful. Be persistent... do not let people tell you no. Push yourself and push others into going that extra mile, the small steps begin to pay off.</p>

<p>When I started this thread, it seemed completely impossible to afford OOS tuition. After spending countless hours doing research, numerous phone calls, handwritten letters, personal meetings, I have found that it's very possible, you just have to work for it.</p>