How it worked out: U. Md.

<p>I wanted to say thank you to all who provided support and information as we were making our where to go to a college decision in April and I was, well, flipping out. I’ve been out of commission then because of complicated shoulder surgery, getting some sort of viral crud the same day as surgery (bad idea, don’t do it!) and some other unrelated health problems. I’m still not really supposed to be typing ;)</p>

<p>When we left off, I was agonizing over the “we didn’t get any merit or financial aid at his pretty much top choice LAC’s (Oberlin, Brandeis, U.Rochester)” vs. “U. Md. is a decent, affordable choice but it is 10 minutes away and for goodness sakes on the SAME street as his HS!”</p>

<p>To cut to the chase: My son’s final decision was U. Md and he is very, very happy with the choice (despite the fact that he originally only applied there as a back up in case my H and I died and he had to live at home to raise his younger brother!) Below you will see some of the deciding factors and the process that got us there. The key factor in the end were that it truly turned out to be the best overall MATCH for him. </p>

<li> We went to the visit day and we were blown away by the government and politics department. It offered more depth, intensity and opportunities overall than the other schools he was considering (although each that he was considering had something special). He especially liked that he could do a joint masters in public policy (though I had to explain what a masters was!) and that he could earn a BS (as he could as some of his other choices).</li>
<li> The honors program was MADE for him – it wasn’t just a prestige thing. He loved the entire philosophy… the way it OFFERED 70 seminars a semester capped at 20 students, just the type of interdisciplinary classes that turned him on at Vassar and Oberlin, but only 5 in 4 years were REQUIRED; on the other hand, 1 a semester was guaranteed – it was up to HIM to decide what to take advantage of (he hates requirements! but he always challenges himself and loves learning.) He liked that small honors sections of many, many university courses were offered – but again, not required – he could take other sections if they fit into his schedule better, if he wanted to be invisible, if he liked another professor – and ditto with the not required/but offered outings, discussions, summer programs, dorms, travel etc etc. He liked that the program was made up of students in every school and major, from soil science to arts to business to engineering.</li>
<li> We went through a year’s worth of check stubs, charge bills etc and figured out every cent we could REALISTICALLY cut from our budget… and looked at interest rates and social security payouts etc… and spoke to financial aid counselors… and figured out that we could just manage it at the private schools if we all decided that it was a family top priority.</li>
<li> We made a list, with our son, of the pros and cons of the top schools, including Maryland— we asked him NOT to consider money (not sure if this is really possible – by then Maryland had offered him 2 years of almost full tuition scholarship and we’ve pre-paid 2, which we don’t get back dollar for dollar for use at another school) – but we tried. We were exhuberant in praising all the schools for their plusses as well as ruthless looking at the negatives.</li>
<li> The LAC drawbacks FOR HIM (not for another student, or in general) were clear… S liked them very, very much but he was afraid they would be over the long run too small, in a location he became bored with and that he would regret the debt that either we or he incurred. Their plusses were clear – but they didn’t seem to be so unique as to be unreproducible over the course of his life or his college life elsewhere. He also felt more and more that he wanted a university. Academically, he was concerned that some of the departments seemed very small and not diverse enough intellectually.</li>
<li>The drawbacks at U. Md. seemed to him to be unrelated to his core values about college. The architecture was boring, it was too close to home, it was too much of a sports school, it was big… and many of the “problems” like large classes, easy to get “lost” in a large school were automatically solved by being in the honors program. Most important to him, and the original drawback of most large universities, was his interest in interdisciplinary studies and that his college life be intellectual, explorative and not too “pre-professional” also seemed solved by the honors program.</li>
<li>And he fessed up to several things: He HATED the thought of debt; he wasn’t sure he felt ready to go as far from home as I thought he should feel (!) and as he first thought he was able to go; he felt pretty special getting into the honors program because most of the kids getting into it from his school were the kids who had gotten into the ivies and had done really special things in HS (he thinks he got a lucky break somehow!) and he was actually really impressed with U.Md.</li>
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<p>So, we are now all happy! I’ve had such a rough time this month… I am so relieved to be saving, let’s see, about $130,000, while I am out on disability leave and not sure when I will be going back to work… (soon I hope!) but very in touch with the fragility of one’s economic situation… My son can now NEVER say that I forced him to go to Maryland… and as a side benefit, he no longer hates me for “making” him take French 5 (his one “C”)… because now he satisfies the departmental language requirement by taking 3 consecutive years of the same language in HS (had he stopped at French 4, 2 years would have been in middle school!)</p>

<p>Thanks again, S</p>

<p>I'm very happy that it all turned out so well, silversenior. </p>

<p>I wasn't involved in your original deliberations with your son on this board, but I can appreciate the overall results. Our D was accepted to Georgetown EA and UCLA last year, and much to our initial chagrin, she chose "State U" (the University of Colorado-Boulder). I fully admit that it was my misguided ego that gave me trouble.</p>

<p>D comes home today. She has had a WONDERFUL year, full of academic and personal challenges. She was smart enough to make the right decision for her and we are thrilled. Best of all, you sure can't beat writing a check for in-state tuition!!</p>

<p>ETA: She also received 38 credit hours for AP classes based upon her test scores. So she entered school as an almost-second-semester sophomore!</p>

<p>silver. wow! good luck wth your recovery. Sounds like a nasty couple of weeks.</p>

<p>Hooray for kids who get it! So glad your son was mature enough to make such a great financial choice for his family and himself. And the honors college at Umd will give him more opportunities than he probably would have gotten at the privates. He will find it's actually nice being close to his home.</p>

<p>We went through similiar choices a year ago and my son ended up at PSU honors which was his safety. I spent the year worrying if he made the right choice but I can tell you now it has worked out perfectly. And his top choice, Cornell, would have cost $180,000. He has been challenged (my biggest concern) and had some great opportunities offered to him during the year. He could not be happier and although even he thought the school was huge at first it quickly became home. He will not outgrow it's many opportunities.</p>

<p>So hooray for you and yours. Just wanted to share a similiar decision and its positive outcome a year later. And good job on the french...this is such a huge savings of time and credit hours!!! Nice to be right once in a while!</p>

<p>Silversenior - thanks for sharing the aftermath. Very interesting issues and thought process.</p>

<p>Congratulations to the new Terp! We visited U Md during my D's initial search, and it was a beautiful campus and a very impressive school. I know how excited you must be to have your S go to such a great place. And congratulations to you too, and hope your disability ends as soon as possible, and you recover your health.</p>

<p>I love this thread! </p>

<p>I worked very hard throughout highschool with only one goal in mind: get a scholarship to a school in a big city, and leave Maryland forever! In my heart and mind, though, I knew I liked many aspects of Maryland too much to justify the cost of any other university (not to mention, I want to be a journalist and major in gvnmt & politics or history...why would I leave DC for Los Angeles?). Unfortunately, my parents became extremely overbearing and refused to consider other schools besides UMD after they had showered me with praise about my acceptances and scholarships. It made me so angry that they allowed me to work so hard to apply to other schools, congratulated me on getting into some of the best universities in my field, and then told me that despite the fact that they could afford many of the schools I wanted most to attend, they felt UMD would be the best fit. I immediately rebelled against UMD, which I had been very fond of previously. It is nice to read this thread and be reminded of all of the reasons UMD is a great school.</p>

<p>Congratulations. </p>

<p>My daughter will also be attending Maryland as a freshman this fall. One of the things I really like about large schools is the diversity of kids many of them attract. In contrast to your son, my daughter really liked the architecture and campus, loved the sports aspect of the school (she wants to be a sportswriter), and, although she wants a wide ranging college experience, was attracted to the specific pre-professional school in which she will enroll (journalism). She also liked the opportunity of getting away from home and experiencing a college populated by a vast majority of kids from a different region of the country from the one in which we live (the midwest). Different reasons and reactions, leading to the same result.</p>

<p>Good luck to your son.</p>

<p>bravo, silversenior. Perhaps a tortuous journey, but sounds like an excellent result. And the best is yet to come.</p>

<p>Great news silver--about the college!--Not the miracle of afflictions that seem to be hitting you! <em>Sprinkles lucky cyber dust on silversenior's screenname</em></p>

<p>Another advantage: There are so many courses and sections of courses at Maryland that it is entirely possible to plan a schedule that includes no morning classes. My son, a junior there (not honors program), has succeeded in doing this several times.</p>

<p>Our family lives about a half-hour farther from the campus than you do. In addition to the aforementioned son, I have a daughter who is a high school senior. She's headed for a different college, but many of her classmates will be going to Maryland -- the merit scholarship money and University Honors are both big draws. Maryland will be getting some truly amazing kids next fall: some of the smartest kids I know are headed for that campus -- including sizeable chunks of the populations from Montgomery County's magnet programs. And they will all be in those honors seminars. (Some people who are invited into Gemstone turn it down, but essentially everyone who gets an invitation to University Honors says yes.) I think your son will have a good experience, and he will have plenty of academic peers.</p>

<p>I bet if more people took a VERY close look at the large public schools they'd also be blown away. And not just by the fortune they saved - but by the quality of education their children can get.</p>

<p>Congratulations! Great job covering all the bases. I'm hoping that the decision to enroll at the University of Pittsburgh will also turn out to be positive one for this family. Everything seems to point that it will.</p>

<p>silversenior---what a fun time reading your post. D is also heading to College Park, and is thrilled. There are some who second-guess her decision, but I think it will be a great fit for her. I doubt if she and your S will cross paths too much, but maybe they'll meet up in some of the honors seminars. (Honestly, there are a BUNCH of them that I'd love to take!!) Congrats!</p>

<p>Thanks for the enthusiasm and kind words folks!
I don't want to say too much more, as it sure seems hard to be "undercover" with so many of you from the same county or whose kids might cross paths with mine... but several events really, really, really also helped me come to terms with the reality (as opposed to the concept) of how important character and integrity is... and how proud I am of my S... that it really helped me care not a fig about where he went to school because I knew he would thrive no matter what and the world would be a fine place for having him in it...</p>

<p>On a completely different note, it was also interesting to hear reactions from other folks to his top choices... I had never had anything other than positive feelings about Oberlin (except when I was having demented euper elitiest moments pre-college-application reality) -- EVERYONE I have ever known to go there (and I personally have known or worked with about 30 grads) have been smart, talented and dedicated to wonderful good works -- but I got very funny comments from people... "why would he go there if he is so socially well adjusted?" for instance... it was very odd. When I mentioned Brandeis, people actually asked me if I knew it was a Jewish school (my S happens to be Jewish, but secular, and his dad is Asian, so his last name is Asian...) (Brandeis was founded by Jews in 1948 because of quotas at other schools and after the Holocaust, but it is not "Jewish" in the way a Notre Dame is Catholic, and as my S pointed out -- the proportion of Jewish students at Brandeis is Less than the proportion of Christian students at just about any other private school and we don't refer to them as "Christian" schools).... It really bothered me that we researched schools so carefully in terms of academics and programs and extracurriculars and general intellectual atmosphere and people made all kinds of assumptions... I guess when they hear he is going to Md. those same folks will assume he is a party loving sports fan! ;)</p>

<p>So, thanks again, I'll get better soon, I promise! S</p>

<p>Congrats to your son!</p>

<p>I made a similar decision as him 3 years ago, turning down NYU stern for UMD.... haven't regretted it once. The honors program is great (some of my favorite courses and faculty connections), I've been able to get really involved in the business school, the campus is gorgeous and in a great location, and I'm saving my parents about $200K over the four years.</p>

<p>He says he's not so into sports...neither was I at first, but the enthusiasm is contagious!!</p>

<p>You handled the situation perfectly, and I'm glad that you came back and shared the thought processes that went on, because others can learn from your experience. Congratulations to your son, and hope your shoulder is feeling better to soon!</p>