<p>I'm a high school student doing dual-enrollment...I plan to start college as a Junior right after high school graduation, major in Chemistry and Philosophy, and then go to law school. I want to keep a high GPA and I know that the community college classes will be at least slightly easier, although from talking to friends the real difference between my community college classes and 4 year school's is grading, not content. </p>
<p>I keep playing with my schedule, but if I'm going to be too overloaded with 16-18 hours of science, I need to change things now. Could 3-4 science courses in a semester be reasonable? The school I want to go to requires like 64 of chem and other math/science for a BS. </p>
<p>Also, did anyone who came into college with sophomore or junior standing (by AP or dual enrollment credit) have significant issues adjusting?</p>
<p>It’s reasonable but if you’re taking high school classes at the same time I don’t see it happening. People who manage three or four science classes all at the same time are usually people who have been in college for a while and it’s a struggle even for them at times. Especially if these are lab science classes. Science classes are challenging and they are time consuming I would consider taking maybe two of the science classes to start off with and then take one or two of whatever else you need.</p>
<p>Be aware that this could possibly affect your eligibility for incoming freshmen scholarships, which is who MOST of the scholarships are for. I’m not sure how that works for dually enrolled students.</p>
<p>Also be aware that it’s possible the university you eventually transfer these credits to may not allow you to transfer classes you intend to use for your major, Umich would only allow me to apply them to general ed. Not to mention community colleges don’t have upper division courses, so you won’t be able to take anything but your gen ed credits and prerequisites while in high school anyway-- most of which won’t be science, only a few will be.</p>
<p>I finished high school and then started community college before coming to a university as a junior. It was hard for me because I got lumped in with the freshmen as an incoming student despite being a 20 year old junior who did not have the same maturity level as the freshmen. But since you’d still in theory be 18 years old your problem may instead be that you are less mature than many of the students in your classes and may find you have to search elsewhere to make friends, which isn’t really a problem but something to be aware of heading in.</p>
<p>If you’re planning on law school, your goal should be keeping that GPA up. Overloading yourself with classes, especially during freshman year, is a BAD idea. I know you think you can handle it…but it’s a risk you shouldn’t be stupid enough to take. 3 science courses a semester is pushing it, for a freshman, but 4 is just ridiculous.</p>
<p>Thanks for your detailed responses, and your help in general.</p>
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This year I’m taking 3 math/science courses first semester and 2 second…though they wouldn’t be as difficult as next year’s classes.</p>
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Students who are accepted to the school I want to go to and who have EFC’s under 40k enter a program whereby they graduate with no debt. That’s good enough for me.</p>
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<p>There’s a state-wide agreement for transfer of credits, which specifically applies to high school students too, which states that if I take the courses I’ve planned I will satisfy all general education courses for the 4-year school and I may transfer in up to 50% of the courses for each major–which they must accept.</p>
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I’ll be a college sophomore and I’d be taking 2 science and 1 math first semester, and 3 science 1 math second semester.</p>
<p>My other problem is that I can take any class offered online, but the only face-to-face courses I can take are math/science…so I’m really not left with a lot of choice. :/</p>
<p>If it helps rigor-wise, a student at this school took around 24 hours each semester of his senior year, made all A’s and got into Princeton (Only an SAT of 2050 though)…this including several lab-science courses.</p>
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At the school I want to go to, most of their basic courses are weeder courses (for the sake of being weeder courses). For the physics course I would need the school doesn’t even give credit for AP Physics C and pretty much no one makes an A…for Organic Chemistry apparently almost all (if not all) of their Organic Chemistry courses meet at 8 am and an “A” is something like 3 S.D. beyond your peers.</p>
<p>If you were in college, it’d be doable. I’m a sophomore pre-vet major, and I’m taking 4 science courses this semester–3 with labs, one with only a lecture, plus another non-science class. Science courses (most of the time) are veryyy time consuming–a lot of studying, labs, etc. I doubt 3 would even be doable if you’re only a dual-enrollment high school student.</p>
<p>“Only a dual-enrollment high school student” is a bit misleading, I’ll be as much of a bona fide college sophomore as anyone else. I will be doing full-dual enrollment senior year and as I’m going to starting college as a Junior, I should be taking just a rigorous schedule as any one else (or so my thinking is). I guess my question should be whether the schedule below reasonable for a college Chemistry major.</p>
<p>What I’ll have completed college-wise before senior year:</p>
<p>ART 115: Survey of Art History II
CHM 151: General Chemistry I
CHM 152: General Chemistry II
ECO 252: Introduction to Macroeconomics
ENG 111: Expository Writing
ENG 113: Literature-based Research
HIS 131: American History I
HIS 132: American History II
MAT 271: Calculus I
MAT 272: Calculus II
POL 120: American Government
SPA 111: Elementary Spanish I
SPA 112: Elementary Spanish II
SPA 211: Intermediate Spanish I</p>
<p>My basic idea for senior year: </p>
<p>1st Semester (18 hours)</p>
<p>CHM 251: Organic Chemistry I
ENG 231: American Literature I
MAT 273: Calculus III
PHI 240: Introduction to Ethics
PHY 251: General Physics I</p>
<p>2nd Semester (16 hours)</p>
<p>BIO 111: General Biology I
CHM 252: Organic Chemistry II
MAT 285: Differential Equations
PED 128: Introduction to Golf
PHY 252: General Physics II</p>
<p>Why are you taking all of those science and math classes if you are going to go to Law School? Seems like a lack of focus on what you are going to be studying later. JMHO</p>
<p>Anyway, I’m taking 17 credits this semester, and either 16 or 17 next semester. It’s totally doable…although, I only have 1 science this semester, and next semester will be 1 science and 1 math, unless I decide to move the math to the summer and bump up a religion course or something.</p>
<p>It definitely depends on you, the school, the classes, etc. There is no one answer. I am taking 18 credits right now, working at least 20 hours a week, doing a club, and having a social life. Is it doable? Absolutely. </p>
<p>I am also in a humanities major so I write a few 10 page papers every week and read literally a hundred pages a day per class. Science people have to do labs, etc. If I were science savvy I could crank out those labs in an hour or two. But I’m not, instead I can write a 4.0 10-page paper in less than an hour about the inequalities of gender in the Chicano language and how it relates back to an obscure Incan anuthor, and read 100 pages of Moby-Dick in 35 minutes. For a science major, that would be very difficult. As I said, only you can answer this question.</p>
<p>If you’re going to be taking classes in the summer anyways, I would think about maybe moving one of the math/science classes to summer and take a little bit of a lighter load. There’s no reason to overload like that… You’ll have plenty of time to finish a double major if you are coming in with that many credits.</p>
My high school offers nothing and I’ve pretty much taken all I can with our online high school offerings so I’m left with online college classes and face-to-face college classes. I don’t have a ton of online classes left and the only face-to-face college classes I can take is are Science and Math classes…so I really don’t have a choice in the matter.</p>
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<p>The only science class my community college offers over the summer that’s “on my list” is BIO 111…but I’d have to get my parents permission to stay home for 1 week while they go several states away. Though this seems like a good idea. Would this be any better:</p>
<p>Summer 2010</p>
<p>BIO 111: General Biology I
Civics and Economics Honors
ECO 252: Introduction to Macroeconomics</p>
<p>1st Semester (15 hours+1 HS)</p>
<p>CHM 251: Organic Chemistry I
ENG 231: American Literature I
Forensics Honors
MAT 273: Calculus III
PHY 251: General Physics I</p>
<p>2nd Semester (15 hours)</p>
<p>CHM 252: Organic Chemistry II
MAT 285: Differential Equations
PED 128: Introduction to Golf
PHI 240: Introduction to Ethics
PHY 252: General Physics II</p>
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<p>My problem is that because of the credits if I stay more than 2 years I have to pay 150% tuition, and I don’t think I can afford that…</p>
<p>I assume you’re in state for UNC. UNC is one of the best “bang for your buck” schools in the country, even for out-of-staters so that’s a great deal. The UNC tuition surcharge is actually 25% not 50%, but I can see your concern there.</p>
<p>Let’s say you go to UNC. When you enter, you’ll basically only need to complete the major requirements for both chemistry and philosophy?</p>
<p>Use these websites to help you figure out what classes you’ll need to take once you get to UNC, but I wouldn’t suggest overloading in order to avoid the surcharge… Could hurt your GPA, which needs to be high for law school.</p>
<p>It has always been 125%, but in this year’s budget it was increased to 150%. “The Board of Governors of The University of North Carolina shall impose a fifty percent (50%) tuition surcharge on students who take more than 140 degree credit hours to complete a baccalaureate degree in a four-year program…”</p>
<p>I’ve done a lot of research and the following have helped me the most:</p>
<p>Per the the rules of the Comprehensive Articulation Agreement I would be left with “Upper-level general education requirements,” Foreign language, and PE credits. There are no “Upper-level general education requirements” for those earning BS’s (although there are for BA students). I’ll satisfied the Foreign Language requirement with Spanish and will transfer the PE requirement, but I realize I need a different language for upper-level Philosophy so I plan to take 4 additional semesters in a different language after matriculation. </p>
<p>Long story short if I get into UNC, here’s what I need to graduate with a BS in Chemistry and Philosophy: 24 additional hours of philosophy, 37 additional hours of Chemistry. Obviously I’ll have to do summer school if I want to do take many additional courses.</p>
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I’m going to have to talk this over with several people, and I really appreciate all the advice I’m getting…but I’m afraid if I can’t handle Calculus III, Calculus-based Physics, and Organic Chemistry in the same semester at a community college…I won’t be able to handle 18 hours of Advanced Chemistry (Including Physical Chemistry) in the same semester.</p>
<p>Make sure you can transfer the language into the REQUIREMENT, not just the credits. I could transfer my language CREDITS but they make you take a placement test at Umich regardless and you have to take their classes if you don’t test out. I’ve had three semesters of CC spanish so I thought I’d test into 4th semester but I tested into 2nd so now have to take three more semesters, even though I already transferred three spanish classes. It’s stupid.</p>
<p>The Comprehensive Articulation Agreement says that colleges cannot place any requirements on students transferring credit that they do not require of “native” students. I guess I should appreciate the fact that the my state has policies which make sense. :/</p>