<p>I don't think any concrete data is out there for ed data. As lurker said, WashU doesn't release this. It's considerably higher than rd, for sure. My guess would be 35-45%.</p>
<p>is that the reason they dont release the numbers?</p>
<p>If they don't release the numbers, how can one be so sure that the rate is higher? For all we know, it could be the same as the regular admission rate!</p>
<p>my guess is that its significantly higher, otherwise they would release it ... they release RD data, why not ED? What are they hiding, hmm</p>
<p>Lurker: They release RD data? Could you please reveal which stats you are referring to?</p>
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my guess is that its significantly higher, otherwise they would release it ... they release RD data, why not ED? What are they hiding, hmm
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Any university with ED program wants as many applicants as possible to apply ED. This gives them an opportunity to hand-pick students that are committed to come. If you heard that ED admission rate is 45%, and RD is 18%, wouldn't it strongly encourage you to apply ED? The "edge" in admissions is one of the main reasons students apply ED. Releasing data that encourages ED applications would only benefit the university!</p>
<p>But if the ED acceptance rate was very high, people wouldn't think WashU was very selective. An 100% ED acceptance rate hurts the image of the college more than it helps, I believe. You can think differently but thats another story. </p>
<p>Stats</p>
<p>Middle 50% of
First-Year Students Percent Who
Submitted Scores
SAT Critical Reading: 670 - 750 85%
SAT Math: 700 - 780 85%
SAT Writing: - 85%
ACT Composite: 30 - 33 54% </p>
<p>Percent applicants admitted: 21% </p>
<p>.................</p>
<p>Lurker: Does that 21% include ED or is that just RD? If it's combined, how does one extrapolate the actual acceptance rate? Finally, that rate of 21% is based on 20,000 applicants?.....Not sure they would have that many applicants if the marketing program didn't exist (and if they had a significant supplement)....</p>
<p>From WashU's student newspaper Spring 2007...</p>
<p>"Washington University had a wonderful applicant pool this year. More than 22,000 students applied for our small freshman class of 1,330-1,350 students. We are working this year to ensure that the freshman class doesn't exceed this number," said Nanette Tarbouni, director of Admissions.</p>
<p>Tarbouni also explained that this was one of the largest applicant pools, as well as the most talented, making for some difficult decisions. </p>
<p>Of the 22,000 that applied, fewer than 20 percent will be offered admission. Tarbouni is hopeful that Admissions will be able to make further offers of admission in May off the waitlist, an event that did not occur last year. </p>
<p>"Use of the waitlist is provided, of course, that we have not exceeded the freshman class we are planning," said Tarbouni.</p>
<p>By placing more of the students on the waitlist and accepting them as space is available, the Admissions Department hopes to prevent over-enrollment. Of the 20 percent to be accepted, early decision represents approximately 35 percent of the class.</p>
<p>Lurker - the stats you posted are the class stats - which combine RD & ED. They are the same as the ones put out by US News and other online sources. I don't see how they are relevant to the questions concerning RD vs ED.</p>
<p>newhere, you said your son works for the admissions office. would you happen to know how many students apply early decision?</p>
<p>these statistics may not be typical, they pertain only to our high school, which is a "Lake Wobegone High" (where all the kids are above average)</p>
<p>from naviance</p>
<p>all years to 2008 (at least three or four I think)</p>
<p>Regular decision 242 applied</p>
<p>to finish my earlier post (some random key equaled "send"!) </p>
<p>our high school stats</p>
<p>all years
regular decision
242 apps
51 admitted
21%</p>
<p>early decision
39 applied
28 admitted
72%</p>
<p>My surmise is this-- there are lots of high schools with high achieiving kids like my child's school... we think the school is special, but so do the parents of all these other schools, and we're all right. Wash U, like plenty of other schools, knows all these high schools are top notch, so when a half dozen or 10 from each school apply, and they're all bright, with grades and scores that put them in the mix, if not at the top end of the admitted class, and they take 40-50-60-70 plus whatever percent of those kids, it adds up pretty quickly because, heck the USA is a great big country.</p>
<p>I don't think you can compare hs admissions to college admissions. For example, even the most selective high schools will usually guarantee admissions for siblings applying "ED". This makes ED/RD hs statistics not at all comparable to colleges.</p>
<p>ggnm, if your post was in reply to my last one, I think you misinterpreted my post. The stats I cited were for applicants <em>from</em> our high school applying <em>to</em> Wash U. So to be clear the numbers I cited were for ED/RD stats for applications and RD/ED admissions <em>to</em> Wash U. -- from one particular public high school.</p>
<p>I think we need to kill this thread. We know the overall admission stats (see below). We know that ED applicants make up about a thrid of the final class (based on the newspaper article). We do not know the admission rate separately for ED and RD, nor are we going to as Wash U does not release those figures. Trying to determine that information from various schools' Naviance data is a waste of time. No two schools are alike, and for that matter, no two classes from the same school are alike.</p>
<p>I have never believed that ED gives an advantage at any college. If the admission rate is higher, there are other explanations. ED applicants tend to be stronger applicants to start with. Plus, they have clearly demonstrated a strong interest in attending by signing a contract to do so. </p>
<p>Even if you could determine that the ED admission rate is higher or lower than the RD rate, so what? Applying ED because you think you have a better chance is foolish. If it is your number one top choice and you have no doubts, then go ED. Otherwise don't. And don't worry so much about your chances. Everyone has a chance.</p>
<p>Here is the limited info that is available, per US News. The only interesting stat I can see here is that males have a higher admit rate than females.</p>
<p>Total applicants: 22,251 Total acceptances: 4,634 Total freshman enrollment: 1,470 </p>
<p>Male applicants: 10,155 Male acceptances:2,385 Male freshman enrollment: 752 </p>
<p>Female applicants: 12,096 Female acceptances: 2,249 Female freshman enrollment: 718</p>
<p>HartinGA is correct, you can't determine WashU's ED vs. RD acceptance rate. However, you can calculate the reasonable range and see that the RD acceptance rate must hover around 20%. (You can do the math because you know that about 35% of the freshman class of 1470 were early decision- 515 students). </p>
<p>If the ED acceptance rate was 30%, the RD acceptance rate would have to be 20%. And, if the ED rate was 50%, the RD acceptance rate would only drop to 19.4%. Because the ED pool is relatively small compared to the RD pool, big swings in the ED acceptance rate do not change The RD acceptance rate much. </p>
<p>I think its a fair assumption that WashU's ED rates are considerably higher than their RD rates and that RD rates are around 20%.</p>
<p>rayray, sorry -- you are right, I did misinterpret your post.</p>
<p>It is a bit strange that so many students from your HS apply ED to WUSTL. Is your school in St. Louis? If so, there could be many factors going into those ED acceptances -- the students might have taken classes there; the parents might be faculty there; "Lake Wobegone High" might have a counselor that knows the director of admissions personally (so he/she can give more personal insight), etc.</p>
<p>rayray, what high school does your numbers come from if i may ask? does it have special connections to Washington University?</p>
<p>re ArielTriton's question--</p>
<p>Walt Whitman HS Bethesda MD. The stats are, from what I can conclude is going back to 1990 (I wouldn't have thought they had stats going back that far, and I haven't fly specked the web pages enough to say for sure, if I could.)</p>
<p>No special connection that I am aware of, that would be different in some manner from any other similarly situated and qualified high school (of which there are plenty, to be sure)... general things like the Wash U. getting to appreciate the caliber of students coming from particular schools, or high schools that happen to be populated by students with the desire, and parents the means, to encourage them to attend a quality school in a different time zone in a "fly over" state.</p>