<p>yep lol…same thing i got :)</p>
<p>not really</p>
<p>I concur, 1MX. </p>
<p>Ok, you’re black, so what? You cant put aside these unnecessary “questions” for a few measly hours? We all do it. I’ve come across questions where I’m just like “*** — why on earth would they ask that?” — but I nevertheless answer the question. Practice, and maybe you’ll improve, but don’t expect special treatment just cuz you’re black. Like 1mx said, you have not been disadvantaged — in fact, you’re more privileged than many Caucasian applicants, since you’re dad went to princeton and all.</p>
<p>Cybershot - the gap between your scores and your GPA may indicate a learning difference. You describe your inability to focus during the test. Have you ever been evaluated for information processing issues? It is possible that with accomodations your SATs would more closely mirror your GPA. But you need to act on this right away if you think it’s a possibility.</p>
<p>Yes. They come from the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education (JBHE, as I noted in my original post).The complete article is available at the link below. </p>
<p>[The</a> Progress of Black Student Enrollments at the Nation’s Highest-Ranked Colleges and Universities](<a href=“http://www.jbhe.com/preview/autumn06preview.html]The”>http://www.jbhe.com/preview/autumn06preview.html)</p>
<p>Additional information is available through Black Excel, a college guide resource designed to help disadvantaged students of color through the application process.</p>
<p>And that’s a 1200/1600 or 1800/2400.</p>
<p>About diversity-- is there a large Slavic presence on the Princeton campus?</p>
<p>“Diversity” always refers to Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans, nota bene.</p>
<p>This is a really funny thread.</p>
<p>A girl I know who is African-American got into a top Ivy with a 3.2 GPA and 1990 SATs… I got rejected. And I’m white. Such is life.</p>
<p>just thought I should add:</p>
<p>one problem with the sats is that some (more wealthy) students are taking classes to learn how to BEAT the test. therefore, the sat is not really measuring aptitude. it’s measuring how much money you spent to find the tricks within each question. this automatically puts less fortunate students at a disadvantage, so the test isn’t really standardized.</p>
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<p>I did 50 points better in every section except writing when I used only the SAT book… expensive tutoring doesn’t really help, so that’s not a valid excuse in my opinion. Anyone can put in the work and study for it.</p>
<p>I would guess the African-American girl who got in with 1990 sat’s must have had some spectacular essays or ec’s or recs or something…</p>
<p>Or was a recruited athlete.</p>
<p>Neither. I am in most ECs with her.</p>
<p>“one problem with the sats is that some (more wealthy) students are taking classes to learn how to BEAT the test. therefore, the sat is not really measuring aptitude. it’s measuring how much money you spent to find the tricks within each question.”</p>
<p>Bollocks.
If one were truly worth one’s mettle, one would not need courses to do respectably well on such examinations.</p>
<p>However, a valid observation would be one that points out that many students who score high on such exams are from well-off backgrounds. Which is not surprising, considering families with financial security have more to offer to their children in terms of enriching and nurturing environments for intellectual growth.</p>
<p>1MX, I really don’t like you. From reading your posts, you always find some way to sound arrogant or belittle people who ask genuine questions on these boards. The OP sounded very sincere when he was presenting his question. Why would you accuse him of trying to “exploit” his race? He is only asking whether being African American and having legacy at Princeton would help. If you’re not going to help, don’t comment.</p>
<p>To the OP: Yes Affirmative Action is practiced at ivy league schools and Princeton is no exception. Will being black help you? Yes. Will having legacy help you? Yes. Will your SATs hurt you? Of course, and the adcoms at Princeton won’t care at all whether or not you think its a fair way to judge academic ability, because for now it is here to stay. So, first I would suggest retaking the SAT or trying the ACT if you have the time. I have no doubt that with this supposed “passion” that you claim to have, you can easily bring those CR and Math scores up to at least 650, which will help you a lot. Actually, I just remembered that you’ve already applied, so I’m not sure if Princeton will take January scores. Anyway, back to your question again, yes being black and having legacy will help you, but if you weren’t able to show passion in your essays, and have other quality ECs to show during your HS years, I don’t think you will be admitted.</p>
<p>“The OP sounded very sincere when he was presenting his question. Why would you accuse him of trying to “exploit” his race? He is only asking whether being African American and having legacy at Princeton would help.”</p>
<p>Regardless of his sincerity, it was an asinine question.</p>
<p>Who in heaven’s name doesn’t know full well that certain groups of people benefit unfairly from paradoxical programs?</p>
<p>He asked such a question because he fully intends to exploit the color of his skin in order to compensate for his lack of ability to take standardized tests.</p>
<p>Affirmative action should anger every hardworking white/Asian person. And, I’m sure it upsets hardworking blacks who wish to be judged primarily on the quality of their work, testing, and character, as well. </p>
<p>It was an outrageously brazen question.</p>
<p>I think you’re just overreacting and are bitter about AA, which is something that is useless to fight about. People on here ask all the time whether being “X race” benefits, or whether being Asian hurts you, and no one ever blows up in the person’s face. Not everyone comes onto CC all the time and knows how much AA helps a person’s chance in admissions (a lot more than some might think). From his post count, it is reasonable to assume that he is new to CC, and may very well be ignorant to the extent of which AA helps in admissions, and it is indeed a hook, especially with legacy. chill out</p>
<p>The question of whether AA is beneficial/fair/just and what, if anything the SAT measures is irrelevant here. OP:</p>
<ul>
<li>Will being a legacy help you? Yes.</li>
<li>Will being black help you? Most likely yes.</li>
<li>Will both of the above factors make up for 590R/570M, and a mediocre GPA?</li>
</ul>
<p>Not likely. Princeton gets THOUSANDS of passionate people, many of them with stellar scores to boot. Think to yourself: what makes you different from the thousands of people who are applying? Your passion? Is that it? Are you sure other people aren’t as or more passionate than you are? Why should you get in, compared to everyone else?</p>
<p>Unless you are a recruited athlete or your father is a major donor, I bet you will get rejected.</p>