<p>Oh, so only half the SDs are cheating. And some wives cheat too. So that makes it ok. I see…</p>
<p>Entertaining thread. </p>
<p>@awcntdb, Do the SD’s you know file a gift tax return if the amount of the annual stipend is over $14K?</p>
<p>Just wondering on how SDs and SBs avoid running afoul of the IRS. </p>
<p>Just wondering if there Is there an “Al Capone” type angle to keep this kind of stuff in check. </p>
<p>How’s an agency that can’t even keep track on what’s on its email servers even going to have the SB on its radar if the SB doesn’t deposit more than $10k cash in her bank acct? </p>
<p>It strains credulity that multiple people who engage in the SB/SD lifestyle spill so many details (including rates) to soneone who is a staunch social conservative of the women-shouldn’t-even-work-after-they-have-kids variety as awtcnb is. It would be like multiple gay men confiding their bedroom issues to awtcnb who is against gay marriage.</p>
<p>I for one don’t believe it. </p>
<p>I’m fascinated that my statement about creepy old guys touched a nerve. Don’t you remember being young? I couldn’t have accurately judged the age of my high school teachers; only as a full adult am I able to gauge adults’ ages. </p>
<p>Setting that aside, I would say that wealth is a great insulator. If you have employees able to afford to support mistresses, I’d assume you are way above the average American income. You described their motives as,
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<p>The trouble with hiring girlfriends is the lack of drama. The “drama” is part and parcel of real relationships with equals. It’s like editing out people you don’t like from your digital pictures. Soon enough, it seems ridiculous that anyone would find anything wrong with anything you do. After all, you never hear any criticism, do you? And everything looks perfect? But there’s a drift away from the norm. Notice how many times assertions have met with disbelief on this thread. Hiring girlfriends wastes time which could be used to find a life companion. I’d bet there’s a temptation to put off the day of dealing with drama indefinitely. Yet every human life span is limited. An attractive peer of the opposite sex will not wait around for the guys fooling around with mistresses to wise up. </p>
<p>I don’t move in your circles, obviously. When I meet someone’s female companion at social events, it’s usually the first wife, sometimes the second. Or it’s the long-term, co-habitating life partner with children. Every once in a while, it’s someone young enough to be his daughter. Because it is his daughter. And people attend events alone, if the significant other is unable to attend. I do thank you, though, because I now realize that people are able to attend these events alone because an escort would not be welcome.</p>
<p>The college and the website parts are just a new twists on an old story. Does anyone remember the Happy Hooker, the Mayflower Madam, or Heidi Fleiss? They all ran very successful businesses supplying high-powered men with smart, attractive young women. If I remember correctly, the MM required girls to have at least some college to apply. There was quite a demand, too. Men and women. There was also a period of time in the 80’s where childless men in one large city where I was living advertised for mothers helpers. There were no children involved. Hmmm.</p>
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<p>Some guys of a certain age don’t want drama, don’t want a real relationship with an “equal”, and don’t want a life companion. Those are just choices.</p>
<p>Some guys don’t take their much younger friend, even with a non-paid relationship, to some social events, not because either is ashamed of the other, but because some people (especially women) can be judgmental and rude if he does.</p>
<p>Classicrockerdad,
Re: gift tax-Can you gift money to a non relative?</p>
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If all the SD/SB information is accurate, what strains the credibility is that the knowledge comes from “friends” and not firsthand experience.</p>
<p>I think the SBs have to report income as taxable income.</p>
<p>I give people the benefits of the doubt because apparently guys do brag about these things. But I think some of the information could also be slightly not accurate.</p>
<p>Yes, but people don’t normally brag about things to people that they know share extremely different views. The person who likes to go and tie one on at the bar doesn’t normally brag about that to the head of the local MADD chapter. It’s very evident that awctnb is of a particular social conservative mindset, with clearly defined roles for men and women, fathers and mothers, no sex before marriage, women belong in the kitchen / at home, etc. Which is fine - that’s his right to live his life how he chooses and express his opinions. But it strains credulity that someone living the SB/SD lifestyle would then go bragging about it - or even talking about it - to a person who they knew would be of a completely different mindset. Like I said, the gay guys at the office don’t discuss their sex life with the people whom they know object to the gay lifestyle or gay marriage. So it’s more than a little odd that awtcnb suddenly scared up all these “friends” in this lifestyle who not only live it, but are open and talk to him about it. </p>
<p>I don’t think his view is conservative but rather conservative from the male point of view. Women stays home with kids and women are babes, sugar or not.</p>
<p>Nah, on second thought, it may not be first-hand knowledge. It would be gauche to kiss and tell. More likely discretion would be paramount.</p>
<p>My feeling is not so much about the sd/sb relationship per se. If thats mutually agreeable, she wants some polished gentleman to pay for her lifestyle and he wants a companion/arm candy, well, whatever floats their boat AS LONG AS HE IS SINGLE . I would even go so far as to say that if he is divorced, he is potentially taking from his family, though his discretionary income is his to spend, I suppose. It just strikes me as subtly braggadocio, in a smarmy way. </p>
<p>Work is noble, selling yourself to be used is degrading.</p>
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<p>Not always. Sometimes, some will go out of their way to do so to get a rise out of the person with different views. Especially if he/she’s obnoxious about proclaiming those views and/or trying to impose them on others. </p>
<p>It wouldn’t surprise me, for instance, to hear of alcohol-loving folks to openly brag about their drinking habits to get a rise out of a MADD person or religious figure who frequently lectures others about imbibing any amount of alcohol.</p>
<p>Why do you think some extreme gun-lovers enjoy parading themselves fully armed in public places in some areas?</p>
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<p>And a college coed who drinks a lot, gets stupid drunk, hooks up with different guys on a whim and does not mind being used as a door mat by those guys is not degrading herself? Or is this more noble because she gives it out free?</p>
<p>Work is not the comparison to be made here. The comparison is between coed SBs who have sex and get their tuition paid and other college coeds who have sex just as much, but get nothing in return except “See ya later.”</p>
<p>EDIT: My basic point is I see both coeds being use for the same thing, sex. And both do not mind being in that position of being used for sex. Yet, some are saying the one who leaves college without loans for dong the same thing is somehow more reprehensible than the coed who did the same thing, but leaves schools with loans. </p>
<p>I do not condone either behavior, but if getting used for sex is the main act, then I get it that the SB at least says I might as well leave debt free if both types of guys are just using me either way. </p>
<p>You’re not supposed to demand payment for sex. Full stop. Not negotiable. The ends do not justify the means.</p>
<p>That some people make poor decisions in the realm of personal relations does not excuse or justify other people’s even worse decisions. And it’s not as if selling your body is protective. This isn’t an “either/or” choice. </p>
<p>The “either/or” choice is more along the lines of, forming relationships with men who are similar to her in age, background, and stage of life, or ignoring all the networking opportunities with the members of her generation to hang around with people who will never regard her as an equal. </p>
<p>Some people pay beginning hookers with money borrowed at high rates of interest. That doesn’t make a decision to buy a collection of sports cars using borrowed money any more prudent.</p>
<p>There is no equating bad judgement with the SB/SD thing. </p>
<p>If a 14 yr old became an SB to get her private school tuition paid, we’d all be horrified.</p>
<p>To some, it seems, 4 years changes everything. To me, 4 years changes nothing about this. </p>
<p>This is disempowering to women and in no way uplifting.</p>
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<p>True, but a difference is those activities were once looked down upon and were considered icky to the normal college coed.</p>
<p>In the past, a college coed did not tell her friends she worked, as a hooker or even as a much more benign stripper. However, every SB I have met tells her girlfriends she has an SD. SDs are not hidden from girlfriends, and coeds literally brag about it and brings her friend to meet her SD. </p>
<p>Why this change? It is easy to spot. When I was in college in the early and mid-80s, there was actual dating. And the concept of the casual hook-ups was not something people practiced, as the norm. It idid happen, but no one advertised it, as that behavior was looked down upon as well. At both my schools, identifiable couples were the norm. And to be fair, the binge drinking was not the norm either for females - it was for the guys at frats, but the girls drank a whole lot less, and a drunk girl was not the norm. Tipsy, yes, but not the stumbling drunk stuff that is so prevalent today. </p>
<p>Swing forward to the 2000s and hooking-up without any requirement or expectations made sex into just a one-time act the norm, not a relationship thing. Well, coeds made this deduction if hook-up sex with a college guy is just an act, it is no different than the sex act with someone else, with reasoning for the act now irrelevant. That then made it acceptable to have sex for whatever reasons, since it is just a act. The coed SB culture is one result. The girls are just having sex, exactly what the college hook-up culture taught them.</p>