<p>"Can we agree they're seldom make-or-break? " Absolutely. I agree that kids place too much emphasis on the interview -- at least for Y. </p>
<p>What type of dress? Smart casual is fine. I guess if you were meeting them in a formal business setting (like in their law office after hours), I might wear a suit.</p>
<p>LOL: I wore a suit to mine many moons ago. I still remember the location!</p>
<p>olive_tree, no i am not a Yale student. i attend an elite prep school in New York City and i will NOT apply to Yale next year, because I am going to Princeton (both of my parents are alumni). anyway, if you want me to read your essays, i would be glad to do that. i will NOT be competing against you at Yale or Harvard.</p>
<p>hookem168, i think i've read your activity statement, haven't I? if it is the one i think it is (about forensics), it was AWESOME. great writing!! i will take a look at your chances thread and give you my honest opinion.</p>
<p>TO ALL THE OTHERS WHO ARE FREAKING OUT ABOUT COLLEGE: RELAX!!!! it is not that big of a deal. what about enjoying the summer, meeting with some friends, and having fun?? don't try to guess what happens in an admissions office... to be honest, and this is what my dad told me after I started filling out my application: admissions officers (at least at Princeton) take a look at your profile, and if there is nothing really amazing, you're automatically rejected. i mean, top SAT scores or a beautiful 4.00 GPA in AP classes won't take you anywhere. also, i'm afraid to say that colleges (even Stanford) don't care if you're DYING to go there. you are not the first and won't be the last one who would do anything to attend their schools. what they really want are amazing people with either a good bank account or amazing characteristics. i know it is harsh, but it is true.</p>
<p>Well, since Stanford all of a sudden jumped into the forefront of discussion, let me ask this: what about if you're applying through QuestBridge? If I'm lucky enough to be selected a finalist I can apply simultaneously to various schools through EA. The only ones I think I'll apply to are Yale and Stanford. So, would I have a good chance at Stanford since I'll be applying EA?</p>
<p>Yeah, ivyleague_fan, that was mine :D
I'm glad you liked it!
And yes, PLEASE check out my chances thread (one of them....I posted the same one in like five different colleges' forums lol).</p>
<p>ivyleague_fan: what school do you go to?</p>
<p>hahaha I assumed that's what happened. that wasn't my chances thread but oh well. here's the address to my real one: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/533335-don-t-chance-suggest.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/533335-don-t-chance-suggest.html</a></p>
<p>I'm not getting on your case or anything, man, just see my above post about fistfighting each other <em>off</em> the boards :)</p>
<p>The only person that will be off the board will be ivyleague<em>fan. My post had no obsenity and I managed to make my point across (in true Ivy League fashion) without any lewd language and blind ignorance. And, hookem168, I will not be quiet for anyone. I honestly feel sorry if you agree with the diappointment that is ivyleague</em>fan's argument, if you can call it that.</p>
<p>Is this thread going slightly off-topic? BTW: NYC private schools (what ivyleague_fan calls "elite" schools) do tend to produce people who think they are owed a place at Ivy League schools... It's really sad actually, which is why I'm glad this is my last year in one of them.</p>
<p>Ivyleague_fan: what school do you go to?</p>
<p>He doesn't need an argument, olive, it's a fact proven by years of admissions seasons. Look at this way:</p>
<p>You're an adcom. You have two equally qualified students. One is filthy rich and already attends an Ivy-feeder school. The other isn't necessarily dirt poor (because that could possibly produce great, "overcoming challenges" type essays), but let's say middle class. Which do you take? If you take the rich one, that could be well upwards of $100k that the college doesn't have to worry about paying out in financial aid. It's not that they can't afford it, but there's a lot of bureaucracy and paperwork involved. Tedious.</p>
<p>That's one answer. the other is that it's centuries worth of tradition. They started as elite schools, and even though they've tried to change their identity, Ivies are still elite schools (economically).</p>
<p>Oh, my bad... that's very convenient for you, ivyleague_fan.</p>
<p>convenient for me? i hold a 4.00 UNWEIGHTED GPA (not as some people who are all excited with a WEIGHTED 4.00) with 6 AP classes per year (since sophomore year). I didn't get a 2350 on my SATs because i had money, nor i got 5s on every single AP exam I took (except for Latin: I got a 4) because i had money. but i'm sorry that i was born in a well-off family who can afford Princeton. i'm REALLY sorry. IvyLeagues, mainly Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, are ELITE schools. if you want something more "diverse" with people "from all walks of life", try a local community college or one of your state schools.</p>
<p>Don't be ridiculous. I'm not advocating the situation at all. I'm simply telling you the truth. I hate that truth. It's what may keep me out of the Ivy League, because I'm very average economically. That doesn't mean it's not true.</p>
<p>Yes, I disagree with ivyleaguefan about hard work never getting you anywhere, b/c every once and a while you see stories like "The Pursuit of Happyness" (I swear I know how to spell happiness, it's the title lol) where people make something out of nothing. However, you can't possibly deny that the wealthy have far more opportunities by default (both educationally and in the job market)!</p>
<p><em>cough</em> <em>hack</em>
CHANGING THE SUBJECT.....
ivy, did you read my actual chance thread yet? lol, the one you responded to was by some guy named "fastfood." My stats are really similar to his, though (kind of scary, actually), so the comment works anyway haha</p>
<p>so this discourse on the elitism of the ivy league and age-old argument of money vs hard work def doesn't tell us "How to let Yale Know You Love It". </p>
<p>can we get back on subject or do i really need to get a cage? haha :)</p>
<p><em>sees light at the end of the tunnel</em>
HEY JOYUNGX!! Let's umm....talk about Yale, shall we?
<em>casts shifty-eyed looks at cage fighters</em></p>
<p>can you please answer my question?
why do you deserve a spot at Yale with a 26 on the ACT?</p>
<p>woah.
talking about someone's ACT scores on CC is like insulting someone's mama.
so, uh, lets keep it clean. I think we've all made our point.</p>
<p>I'm sorry, ivyleague_fan! I come from a place where the drop out rate is more than half, the ACT average is an 18, and I can smell marijuna and have to worry about getting shot when rushing to my 3rd floor classroom in hopes of getting straight A's. I'm sorry, I don't have the prestigious acceptance to a prep school where you are being taught by exceptional scholars and teachers, which acounts for your SAT scores. I come from a school where teachers (I kid you not) walk out in the middle class and can't get fired for doing so. I'm sorry if I don't have mommy and daddy to help me with my tests cores. My mother and father work brutal nights and don't speak fluent English. I often have to rely on myself and the few prep books I get at Barnes and Nobles.
I won't go further, since your obvious ignorance to others' plights has left you blind. Lastly, I don't have to answer to you, the only ones I have to answer to are the Yale adcoms, who (I'm sure) won't be as ignorant as you.</p>
<p>olive, once again, I am not defending either side, just making observations here:</p>
<p>he's not just rich. Even if he got lots of help and test prep, he still has great grades at a difficult school, and great test scores. So he actually is smart already.</p>
<p>ignorance (or at least the way you define ignorance....his blunt, unabashed take on arguing) and "not being smart" are completely different. : /
ignorance in terms of social situations is the opposite of WISDOM/COMMON SENSE, not intelligence.
intelligence is measured by IQ tests and other scores. Wisdom cannot be quantified.</p>
<p>just sayin, dude. :)</p>