<p>well if you call him Dubya, it gives me a good idea of your feelings for GW. lol</p>
<p>My feelings...right now I disagree with what he's doing...his whole first term I backed him 100%, now I dont. I'm voting for Mark Warner if he makes it, or goes independant, thats my kinda guy</p>
<p>Barak Obama</p>
<p>History will be kind to George W. Bush, much like it has been for Harry Truman (another president who was reviled while in office for doing what he had to do in a time of crisis). He will be seen as a visionary leader who had the mind to recognize the enemies of the free world -- the curious combo of radical Islam and Western liberal moral relativism -- and the guts to tackle them head-on. In the coming years and decades, after all the smoke clears and the shrill liberal rhetoric dies down, Bush's importance will become much clearer. </p>
<p>And on that note, thank God for George W. Bush! God bless America, Israel, and all nations who value and fight for freedom in a world teetering on the brink. </p>
<p>Flame on, pinkos.</p>
<p>Don't forget Level 4 zombie attacks.</p>
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The history books in the USA 100 years from now will probably have a chapter devoted to him called "El Presidente Bush. ?Loco? ?Magnifico
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Flame on, pinkos.
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Two threads that have some merit.</p>
<p>Fides, you have a good point. If the Middle East sprouts a few democracies in the next century, W should get some credit for being the person who dragged them kicking and screaming out of the 14th Century while everybody else watched safely from the sidelines.</p>
<p>...but what if it doesn't? What if Iraq goes int Civil War, Iran nukes Israel, India goes to war with Pakistan? Utter chaos. I don't think it would look good for Bush in the 2106 11th Grade American History eBook ;)</p>
<p>And honestly, what do YOU think is going to happen? </p>
<p>Even the Republicans aren't so optimistic these days.</p>
<p>same could be said for wilson and the 14 points</p>
<p>Fides has a point...comparing him with Truman, Truman's popularity was even lower that Bush's, so...</p>
<p>I have no idea. (me republican...lol) (and saying Republicans are optimistic is like saying that conspiracy theorists are very optimistic) In all honesty, I think it'll just cool down. (the whole middle-east) temperarally (like 10 years). Iran would give up on it's stupid quest to start a major war with the Us and/or Israel, Iraq will settle with the diffrent factions and groups without Civil War, Israel would finish Hezbollah, compensate Lebanon, and we can all go back worring about domestic politics. (besides the whole Leiberman thing) That's just my wish-list. What will happen? Attacking gorillas.</p>
<p>As the fool who stole the presidency.</p>
<p>The first idiot to graduate from Yale </p>
<p>The man who ruined our foriegn policy</p>
<p>The man who dragged us into a unilateral conflict </p>
<p>The man who made over a million islamic extremists want to kill us. </p>
<p>i could think of more</p>
<p>Nope, everyone who graduated from Yale is an idiot. ;)</p>
<p>Oh, and to everyone on this thread RUN FOR THE HILLS! MAJOR flaming, see we will.</p>
<p>EDIT: For one point, as much as I dislike Bush, lots of 'islamic extremists' hated America before Bush. US Cole? US Embassey bombings? 1st WTC attack? Even 9/11... you=fail.</p>
<p>ah...what if's...what if the nazi's got the nuke before us....what if ferdinand hadnt been shot? What if we hadnt dropped a nuke....what if the tet offensive never materialized...seriously...no what if's here, even though this thread is a big what if</p>
<p>foreign policy was ruined with lbj/carter</p>
<p>unilateralism has existed looooooong before gw</p>
<p>I still dont like bush though...but seriously, dont come up with generic excuses that dont really make sense</p>
<p>Do you know that the U.S. is more divided over Iraq than it was over Vietnam?</p>
<p>"...but what if it doesn't?"</p>
<p>In everything from sports to gambling to global politics, there are some who are paralyzed into inaction by fear of failure, and those who go with the no-guts-no-glory approach. Why is it that some our most-revered presidents (Washington [before his presidency], Lincoln, FDR) were those who made their names as wartime leaders? Perhaps because they were the ones who made the tough choices to sacrifice lives for a greater good?</p>
<p>It seems that a lot of people's opinions one way or another are influenced by how they view the world and humanity in general. Some people think that the natural default state of the world is peace, and that people are generally good deep down inside, and their basic goodness will eventually surface. So they try to reform child molesters, let their kids play with pit bulls, think diplomacy will keep invasions from happening, and date O.J. Simpson.</p>
<p>Whereas other people see conflit and strife as the natural state, are suspicious of others' motives, lock their cars even when they are just going in to buy a quick jug of milk, and pretend they don't speak English when Tommy Lee calls to talk to their daughter.</p>
<p>In other words, we're all in agreement that war and killing and poverty and starvation suck. But we can barely even discuss the problems because the premisses we're starting from are so vastly different.</p>
<p>"The man who made over a million islamic extremists want to kill us."</p>
<p>You're a fool. Millions of Islamic extremists have wanted to kill us long before Bush was elected. Bush is just the first president to stand up to them in a major way. Should we have stayed silent after 9/11? </p>
<p>People like you are just as dangerous as the Islamic extremists are.</p>
<p>bendrumfront: Look, Vietnam had over 50,000 soldiers killed. Even the Korean War had over 30,000 people killed. Don't compare this to Vietnam. Vietnam was ALOT worse and brutal than the Iraq war will ever be. The terrorist attacks are horrible, but that has more to do with them trying to unsettle Iraq (and it's working very well) then America being there, actually.</p>
<p>I don't see tens of thousands of soldiers dying or thousands of Iraqies burned to death by Napalm by the US...you know plenty of examples of how terrible that war was for both sides. I really don't care how divided America is about it. Please don't compare it to Vietnam. By putting that in the same level as Vietnam...that's weak.</p>
<p>I think that its crazy that some people say he will be forgotten to history. Did you forget the 9/11 attacks. no matter what anyone will say these attacks changed the way that the us sees the rest of the world and how we must deal with threats to national security. No one has forgotten Pearl harbor or FDR's reaction to it. Why should the U.S. forget an attack on western civilization in NEw York City?</p>
<p>I think a lot of people just say they hate George Bush because other people say it. I've especially noticed it among the goths/punks/emo's.</p>