<p>This is a thread to selfishly satisfy my curiosity. In the last thread I created concerning the "lower ivies" as JohnAdams12 puts it and Caltech, Duke, Uchicago, etc, I'm even more confused on where the non-HYPSM universities stand.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>john, sorry but the “lower Ivies” is not my term.</p>
<p>Until a few months ago, in fact, I had never heard of it.</p>
<p>It is term that I see used in CC for all Ivies other than HYP. </p>
<p>no more no less</p>
<p>Hmm alright :p</p>
<p>bump…(10 char)</p>
<p>Prestige among whom?</p>
<p>Prestige in what fields? For earth sciences, CIT exceeds HYPSM.</p>
<p>After HYPSM,</p>
<p>Biased answer:</p>
<p>Group 1:
Caltech
UC Berkeley
Columbia
Chicago
UPenn
Johns Hopkins
Northwestern
Cornell
Michigan
CMU</p>
<p>Group 2:
Brown
Dartmouth
UVa
Emory
Rice
GorgiaTech
Georgetown
Vanderbilt
Washington UStL
Notre Dame</p>
<p>Unbiased answer:</p>
<p>Caltech
UC Berkeley
Columbia
Chicago
UPenn
Johns Hopkins
Northwestern
Cornell
Michigan
CMU</p>
<p>^Conveniently forgot Duke eh? What about UCLA? UNC? UT Austin?</p>
<p>MIT
Duke
University of Virginia
Vanderbilt (the name itself oozes with prestige :D)
Washington University in St.Louis.
Northwestern
Johns Hopkins
Emory
UCLA
UNC-Chapel Hill
Michigan
Caltech
UC Berkeley </p>
<p>(guessing prestige for the average person?).</p>
<p>Tier 1: gets a :eek: reaction
University of Phoenix
<p>Tier 2: gets a 
reaction
Central Oregon Community College
Green River Community College
Estrella Mountain Community College
Standing Rock Community College
Waubonsee Community College</p>
<p>Tier 3: gets a :rolleyes: reaction
Florida A&M
Jackson State U
Nova Southeastern U
Tennessee State
U Bridgeport</p>
<p>Tier 4: gets a 
reaction
Brown
Columbia
Dartmouth
Duke
Penn</p>
<p>Some of the Tier 4 schools I listed are actually upper Tier 5 universities…I was generous.</p>
<p>Prestige according to whom? Be more specific.</p>
<p>Here’s a lay prestige ranking, according to students and parents:</p>
<p>[The</a> Princeton Review, Inc. - Princeton Review’s 2010 “College Hopes & Worries Survey” Reports on 12,000 Students’ & Parents’ Application Experiences & “Dream” Schools](<a href=“http://ir.princetonreview.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=454373]The”>http://ir.princetonreview.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=454373)</p>
<p>Here’s a slightly older lay prestige ranking, according to students–more methodical and credited. See page 29:</p>
<p>[SSRN-A</a> Revealed Preference Ranking of U.S. Colleges and Universities by Christopher Avery, Mark Glickman, Caroline Hoxby, Andrew Metrick](<a href=“http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=601105]SSRN-A”>http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=601105)</p>
<p>If you want a prestige ranking according to university administrators and faculty, refer to the USNWR P.A. Scores.</p>
<p>Post # 7 could only have been written by an engineer:) A true engineers view of the college world.</p>
<p>A “dream school” and “prestigious” are not the same thing, though. One is “what you want.” The other is “what other people think well of.”</p>
<p>Georgia Tech? A school that is meaningless outside of science / engineering ranks? Why on earth would that ever be lumped with the schools in there? My goodness, someone needs to take off the science / engineering goggles once in a while.</p>
<p>
I think the OP’s question is silly without some limitations on its scope, but if we approach it from the perspective of average overall prestige GT might very well make the cut.</p>
<p>"A true engineers view of the college world. "</p>
<p>Actually it isn’t, Penn, Columbia, Northwestern, Hopkins would all be lower IMO, and Chicago doesnt even offer engineering. And where is UIUC and Purdue, i don’t see them. etc. Some of current Group 2 wouldn’t even make Group 2.</p>
<p>And guess what? So what. As an IL resident, if my kid were interested in engineering, I would personally rather send him or her to NU instead of UIUC, even though UIUC may have better rankings in certain engineering specialties, because I think my kid would fit better at an NU and with that student body than at a large campus like UIUC.</p>
<p>So what, the point is post #7 does not in fact represent an engineer’s view of the world, as was asserted in #12. That’s so what.</p>
<p>^^ You’re saying that the OP’s question is silly. That’s fine, but it doesn’t make any of the answers that were offered wrong.</p>
<ol>
<li>Penn/ Columbia/Caltech
2.Brown/ Dartmouth
3.Chicago/Duke
4.Cornell/ Cal</li>
<li>Northwestern/ villanova
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.
. </li>
</ol>
<p>Etc.</p>