<p>solodad, talking about my faith in government is not related to this matter, in my view. I don’t see the school as my government. I see it as a school that serves the children of my community. I vote on its budget and so on. I WANT my school to have an accurate School Profile that it sends to colleges with the transcripts for applicants. I WANT my guidance office to know where kids get admitted from our school as it helps the students who will be advised later. It has nothing to do with faith in my government. </p>
<p>Our high school doesn’t need the financial aid award letters as they are not in relation to students from that high school but in relation to family income and that information about aid packages is available from each college. </p>
<p>I don’t see the jump that our school should obtain every bit of information about a family. Simply college admissions is part of the mission of the high school and so it is relevant information that is needed. Our income is not relevant to the job that they do. </p>
<p>Do you think your kids’ school should have their health record? I mean based on your viewpoint, that is private information. My view is that they need that as the kids are in their care many hours per day. Do you think your kids’ school should know your place of employment? Our school makes students fill out basic information such as that. Certain information is relevant to running a school. Other information about you is not. Simple as that.</p>
I agree that it’s your right to withhold the information, and even not to explain why, but if you think you have the right to avoid *condemnation *for it, you’re on the wrong discussion board.</p>
<p>Personally, I would find having to prove legal citizenship not invasive at all but as the current news will tell you it is not about what any particular individual finds invasive. It is about civil liberties and big government mandating control of your life. </p>
<p>Solodad, absolutely perfectly said!</p>
<p>(Now can you tell me how to get the quotes from another person’s post into those nice little boxes when you reply?)</p>
<p>I truly don’t see how big government is controlling your life because a high school needs to know admissions results which is related to the work that they do that benefits all children, including your own. In my view, it is part of going to school. </p>
<p>Yes, you cannot comply if you wish. Doesn’t mean that others will agree or that the government is controlling your life. </p>
<p>momofsongbird…if you want to quote someone…you need to do the following:</p>
<p>Type it like this:</p>
<p>[ quote ]text you are quoting[ / quote ]</p>
<p>BUT…where you see spaces in my example, leave NO SPACES.</p>
<p>Would you like to rethink what just came out of your mouth?</p>
<p>Or do you really mean that In the United States of America I should be condemned for not wanting to share what I consider personal information with others?</p>
Well said, Hunt. There seem to be a lot of Americans right now who really think that civil liberties should protect us not only from legal but also from social penalties.</p>
<p>Could you run that by me again? When you say quote do you mean I type that actual word? Or type the quotation-mark symbol? Does it still involve copy-and-pasting?</p>
<p>Sorry to be dense, and thank you for trying…your explanation escapes me.</p>
<p>Of course. That’s one of the wonderful things about living here. You can condemn and be condemned for all manner of trivial and not so trivial things. You can be condemned for the color you paint your house, for not mowing your grass, for using bad grammar on a message board, for being paranoid about releasing personal info in one circumstance but gladly handing out in another, etc. etc. etc. God Bless America!</p>
<p>momofsongbird (cool name, is she a singer? so is my D!)…</p>
<p>Use the actual WORD “quote” where I had put it with every symbol I wrote exactly as I wrote it BUT where I used the space bar…close it up with no spaces so everything is touching. </p>
<p>Where I wrote “text you are quoting” is where you copy and paste the text you want to copy from someone else’s post. </p>
<p>Where I wrote “quote”…truly write the word “quote”. </p>
<p>[ quote ]text of the post you copy and paste here[ / quote]</p>
<p>Keep all symbols I used. Keep the word “quote” where I have it. Close up the empty spaces.</p>
<p>solodad, I think every single person on this thread has agreed that they can’t mandate it or impose fines or consequences. However, many feel that students should provide this basic information about college admissions to their high schools as requested.</p>
<p>However, discussions about government controlling our lives, etc. that you brought up are more appropriate to the Politcal Forum on CC. This forum is meant for educational issues.</p>
<p>Welllllllllllllllll Sooz here’s the thing. We all know that only the looniest lefty would think they can mandate it. But the discussion meandered to is it unethical if someone chooses to not supply the info.</p>
<p>I ( and a few others like bay and momofbirdie) simply think that individuals rights are very important and have to be closely guarded. Others like you and Catera think that they are better suited to make decisions for us.</p>
<p>And again Sooz let me point out that my D shared all her information with her guidance department. I hope that it will benefit someone down the road.</p>
I don’t think anybody here thinks that the bolded text isn’t true. And nothing anybody has said so far would suggest that they don’t think it’s true. However, there’s a simple, crucial distinction, which you seem to be missing, between the questions “do I have the right to do as I choose?” and “do I have the right to be immune from criticism for doing as I choose?”. To tell me I am making the wrong decision is not to make the decision for me.</p>
<p>solodad,
I have no interest in making decisions for you. </p>
<p>I do think part of attending school involves certain things. If you really don’t wish to be a part of that, you can also opt to homeschool. </p>
<p>I believe in public education and in helping the school to do their job well. Providing admissions information is beneficial to students. If you don’t wish to do your part, don’t. Nobody is controlling you. Nobody here agreed with mandates. But as a student in school, often certain information is confidentially shared. Your child’s name is not going to be shared with this information. It is the aggregate information that is beneficial to students. I’m into helping my community’s students. I don’t see the school as an enemy either. I have nothing against this important information being part of the educational system. If you do, opt out. </p>
<p>Nobody here is making decisions for you. They may disagree with your view but only you can control what you do.</p>
<p>In my wildest dreams, I never thought twice about my kids sharing their admissions outcome with their GC. Even if they were never asked, they would have volunteered this information. If you don’t wish to comply if it is requested, sure that is your right. Nobody has disputed your rights. Nobody is controlling you. People do disagree with you, as is their right.</p>
<p>No, none of us have said it should be mandated. Some of us have said that we have a right to criticize those who don’t willingly supply the information. There is a big difference there. You have exercised your right to jump to the completely unfounded position, with not even a minimal underpinning of fact, that the school officials in question are loony lefties. Maybe, like most of us, they don’t see it as anything political, righty, lefty, at all. Maybe they just want the bloomin’ information.</p>
<p>cartera, you got it. I never saw any link to my kids sharing their college stuff with their GC as “the government is controlling us.” !!!</p>
<p>Even if no requests were made for the admissions results, we would have felt an obligation to share the results with the GC for the mere fact that he wrote a letter of rec (yes, it is his job) to each college for each of my kids. And due to that, he would have an interest in knowing how things turned out. For just that reason alone, we’d share it. And even if the GC did nothing to help the kids with the college process but write his report and send the packages, I still feel this way. I’m not a school guidance counselor but I am an independent college counselor and I would really hate not knowing how things turned out for my students after being a part of the process.</p>