<p>…and if not you are a lecherous cad. Or maybe you live in an affluent town and your child doesn’t want to deal with snide remarks from other condescending townfolk about poor Suzie who can only afford State U.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
<p>I’m sorry you D had such a bad GC - I find that to be a very common complaint, particularly at larger public high schools. That’s actually one of the reasons why I am such a big naviance fan - when I am researching schools for my kids - I do not have to speak to the GC - I can do the research myself - starting with naviance. I don’t look at providing the results as something to do for the benefit of the GC - I see it as a way to help the kids who follow my son. The past few years of students provided their data to help my kid, now I provide my kid’s date to help the next few years of students, and so on. So, my point is very simply, that if one chooses to withhold your data to punish an incompetent GC - you are really just hurting the next class of seniors. But I agree with you that you are within your legal right to withhold the acceptance data if that’s what you choose to do; I just think we all benefit when graduating seniors provide this info to their hs.</p>
<p>I guess I live in a town where people don’t try to figure out whose Naviance dot is whose - I have honestly never heard any such conversation. I just see it as a useful tool - not a detective game.</p>
<p>rockville, I totally agree that this information is not really to benefit the GC. It benefits the students who come next. The School Profile will be more accurate (which helps adcoms interpret the transcript in context) and if the school uses Naviance or even if it doesn’t, the GCs will have an idea how how students with particular academic profiles have fared from that high school at particular colleges and can advise new students more effectively regarding “chances.” The winners are students, not GCs.</p>
<p>That is the first post you have written today that I agree with 100%. We did encourage a D to share her info for just that reason. She was anxious to herself both to help future kids and because she was just so damned proud of what she accomplished basically on her own with no help from the GC.</p>
<p>I apologize if I rant. I tend to let my dislike for big government leak into many conversations.</p>
<p>I don’t think of school as the government. A school is a community and we are part of that community. It doesn’t matter how helpful or not the GC was. Admissions information is helpful, as I wrote, to maintain an accurate school profile that benefits all of our kids who have that sent with their transcripts to colleges, and it also helps if such information might be of use when a GC does discuss colleges with kids and even if they don’t…it can help you individually…such as knowing, for example, has anyone from my high school ever gotten into Princeton before since I want to apply there?</p>
<p>Three points soozie…First school is government. It is supported with and mismanages my tax dollars.</p>
<p>Second…everyone gets your point better data for upcoming students…bla…bla…bla…few here disagree.</p>
<p>Third…the OP and the real question here is about privacy.</p>
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<p>I see it as teetering on the edge of a ferpa violation, if it is made compulsory by the school. Even if the data is published without student identification, if 7 kids get into Podunk U in one year, and all gpas and SAT scores on the Naviance graph hover around a 3.2 and a 1700, one could argue pretty convincingly that the school has publicly disclosed protected information.</p>
<p>Bay</p>
<p>Do you ever feel like banging your head against a wall?</p>
<p>LOL</p>
<p>No, I prefer non-violent eye rolling. :)</p>
<p>Btw, if the primary purpose of Naviance is to help the next senior class, wouldn’t it be as helpful to know the parental income of each of the admitted students on the graph and how much financial aid was awarded for each college, in order to help assess the next class’s chances? Why not require that information as well?</p>
<p>solodad, I am not worried about my kids’ privacy in this matter. For one thing, our school did not have Naviance. The only person who knew my kids’ admissions outcomes were their GC. On the school profile, it will list colleges where students have attended. My kids’ names are not part of that. If our GC can tell the next outstanding student in our school that it is possible to get into X college because the school has had someone else like them get into that college, my kids’ privacy was not compromised. Their names are not given out. </p>
<p>I expect my school to h have confidential information about my children. It goes with the territory.</p>
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<p>I agree completely. This may even be the most important information. Don’t stop at income. How about home equity, 529 plans, etc.</p>
<p>Bay, I don’t think the need based financial aid awards are in relation to that specific high school like GPA or SATs, class rank, and so on. Knowing how kids fared with admission to a college you want to apply to who were coming out of that same high school is not information found elsewhere. FA awards are not in relation to a specific high school.</p>
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But wouldn’t it be a great advantage to have “one stop shopping”? Wouldn’t it be great that you could look at at people with a specific rank,GPA ,SATs and net worth and not only know your chances of being admitted but also your ability to afford your chosen school?</p>
<p>The information about FA awarded by a particular college is information that can be found out through that college. Similarly, such information is available as to the academic profile of admitted students to that college. </p>
<p>What a high school needs to know is where its students are matriculating. It also helps to know where they get accepted and denied. For future students, it helps to know where students of a certain kind of academic profile from THAT PARTICULAR HS have been able to be admitted in the past. That information cannot be gotten elsewhere. The FA stuff and everything else can be gotten from each college. The FA stuff is not specific to a certain high school. The acceptances, matriculation, and rejections are specific to students coming from a certain high school.</p>
<p>But why waste all that time Soozie considering the faith you have in government and their protection of your personal information let’s do as Bay suggests. Let’s give the school all your finances and then you can do a real statistical analysis of not only your chances of admission but also affordability.</p>
<p>Way to go from A>>>Z without any thought. Giving conservatives a bad name as paranoid with a lack of societal consideration.</p>
<p>“I don’t agree with fines or other punative actions, but it completely escapes me as to why people are getting so worked up over this.”</p>
<p>One word: Choice.</p>
<p>We can choose to apply to a certain college – or not. We can choose to compy with all the info requested by FAFSA, Profile, etc – or not. Certainly there are consequences for deciding not to provide that info, but we have the choice and in the end may decide to provide it because it benefits us.</p>
<p>Petco, Olive Garden, my grocery store…all of them also want information about me, ostensibly to help them serve me better. They offer me a few bucks to fill out their survey. You may want the few bucks, and agree to do it. I may decide, no, what flavor of toothpaste I prefer, or whether my entree arrived hot, is my own business and I’m not giving – or selling – that information.</p>
<p>You may think that’s crazy, which is fine. Just don’t start mandating/legislating/requiring that I and everyone else provide information about ourselves that you deem is helpful to some organization.</p>
<p>As I’ve said before, it doesn’t matter if you understand why someone might not want to provide this info. All that matters is that he owns that information and has the right to keep it private.</p>
<p>solodad, did you get an answer to your question about how to quote yet? (I’m a page or two behind in reading this thread).</p>
<p>I just go into the person’s post, pick up the part I want to refer to (using copy-and-paste), and then drop it into the beginning of the reply box when I’m starting my post.</p>
<p>I’m sure there’s a smarter way, but I’m not too smart either! (If I had figured out how to put a smiley face or wink in here, I’d do that right about now.)</p>
<p>Once again momofsongbird you eloquently speak for this poor kid from a mill town trying to make an honest buck. Thank you</p>
<p>And yes I did thank you.</p>