<p>I think a better way of saying what Soozievt is saying is that if you benefited from the Naviance system or other tools that a high school had in selecting a college and applying, it’s only right to help improve that systems. You should turn in your information.</p>
<p>That’s like saying if you benefitted by asking a question here on CC, you should answer other people’s questions if you know the asnwer. But if you don’t have any interest in CC, you have no obligation to open and account and answer a bunch of questions on here. </p>
<p>The same goes with the HS: Contribute and improve their tools if you benefited from them. But if you didn’t use their tools or services, there’s no obligation to try to improve them.</p>
<p>Um, I think I HAVE said that several times on this thread. I talked about how students have benefitted from this information…be it Naviance or even having an accurate School Profile that accompanies their transcript to colleges for admissions. I have said that if students benefitted from this in their own admissions process, it is only right to help those who come after. </p>
<p>Let me see if I can find some quotes where I have already said what you are now saying is a better way I could have said it…</p>
<p>my post #47:</p>
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<p>I’ve stopped searching now, but I do think I have said exactly what you are now saying is something I could have said but didn’t quite say.</p>
<p>Heve not read the entire thread - but enough to see a few posters express concern regarding lack of privacy on Naviance. Naviance does have privacy settings - the question is does your GC know this and know how to use them? For example, the GC can customize the graph feature to only display a graph if there have been at least 5 (or 6 or 7 - whatever you want) applicants to a particular college. So, if only 2 people have applied to a school - no graph will display - it will say insufficient data - and the privacy of those 2 students is protected - no one will be able to figure out that Susie Jones is the green square and Bobby Smith is the red X. Graphs will only appear for colleges that have had at least 5 applicants - making it harder to identify who is represented by each symbol. So, if you are bothered by lack of privacy on Naviance - ask your GC to adjust the graph settings.</p>
<p>rockvillemom, that is an excellent feature of Naviance. If there are at least five applicants, others should less readily be able to figure them out. I’ll assume (and this may not be fair to assume) that kids do not publicize their SATs and GPAs to everyone (my kids surely never told anyone). So, I can see the issue if only two kids’ stats show up but if a handful or more are on a graph, it is less easy to tell who is who (unless you go to some place where everyone knows every little stat about you…and I have read posts on CC where people claim to know the stats of this one and that one at their school…but I have trouble relating to that as we don’t know anyone’s stats at our school).</p>
<p>For two of my kids, the class size was/is big enough and there are enough kids applying to a number of colleges that it is not easy to figure out who is what point on Naviance. Other than those who are actually going to the schools, it would take some studying to get any info. But my other two kids went to a small high school, and yes, it is pretty danged easy to figure out who is on those dots. I didn’t even have to do any research at all, just off the top of my head, I could personalize the graphs.</p>
<p>The problem is that if you eliminate those schools with less than 5 applicants in a year, you may not have a whole lot of data. Not everyone brings in the info for the schools that waitlist, reject. And schools that don’t ask for the original letters or just want a list from the student are taking the chance that the info is not true. There have been many such incidents where rejected kids say they were waitlisted or even accepted. The parents, too, embellish and don’t come out with the truth at times to save face or for ego reasons. My oldest son is now 8 years past the college app process and reports more kids were waitlisted from Harvard from his old school than the “appled” category.</p>
<p>We don’t even have naviance at our school and so this is a non-issue there. </p>
<p>But at the very least, I think it is quite reasonable to expect each senior to let the school know which college they are attending, if they are going into the military, or seeking work. It is pretty basic.</p>
<p>While I was participating here as a parent, I will add that in my line of work advising college applicants, I always ask for their transcript and school profile. The school profile is typically very helpful in interpreting their transcript and putting it in context. If a HS can’t even gather which schools their students are accepted to or matriculating at, they can’t provide an accurate profile and as someone who evaluates students, that profile is pretty important.</p>
<p>For some schools, it is an embarrassment to have Naviance. If nearly all of your kids go to State and local colleges, and only a handful elsewhere, the info isn’t going to be useful. The GCs of most public schools are state school gurus. They know what it takes to get into the local and state school from their high school better than anyone, and can advise kids who are looking at those possibilities without using teh Naviance.</p>
<p>Even when they don’t put the points on the graph - if you look in the rest of the college search portion of the site - they’ll give you an average SAT and GPA and I think the number who applied and rejected. The first year our high school did Naviance they didn’t put up the graph until there were 12 points. They seem to have decided that now that it covers a longer period of time they don’t need to do that. I’ve seen lots of graphs with only one or two points this year.</p>
<p>our HS asks to report all admissions results, which, I am sure, helps the school college counseling and the future generations of students (through updated Naviance, etc.)</p>
<p>I think it is wrong to fine the students for not reporting, but I also think that the students should share this info. It is very helpful to know where students with similar profile from a specific HS were accepted/w listed/rejected.</p>
<p>^^^Exactly! They can’t force them or punish them or threaten them, but truly students should share this with the high school. It helps everyone…the school…the future juniors/seniors…etc. JUST as they were helped by the school having this information when they applied to college.</p>
<p>Our public high school asks for copies of acceptance letters, they have a bulletin board in the guidance dept, so everybody can see them. It is a way to celebrate everybody’s accomplishments, which is a nice idea. Sending them in is optional of course.</p>
<p>depending how naviance is configured, one can determine everything or almost nothing.</p>
<p>When DS1 came through in a class of 325, one could easily determine for every data point the year of graduation, the GPA, the test scores, all acceptances, all wait list/deferrals and all the schools that transcripts were sent to.</p>
<p>Why would anyone want to do such a thing? Because it was more useful to see than the summary results (if a school gets 2 acceptances to each Ivy - a different picture is painted if those acceptance represent only 2 kids than if they represent 16 kids - etc.), it could actually be analyzed (at least in the years analyzed, the strongest correlation with acceptances was the 1600 SAT - not the 2400 SAT, not the GPA. It was also interesting to see that for the most part there was very high correlation between all three), and it allowed for things like looking at the stats and such of the students who actually enrolled at each school (is it a random sample of the acceptances or only the data points with the lowest stats?) and the specifics re Early vs. regular admissions acceptance results.</p>
<p>However, matched up with a list of who was going where (as published in the student newspaper) - one could easily put a name to each data point and rank and map the class - at a school that does not rank. I did send a copy of spreadsheet to my son’s GC to let her know what could be done with the info.</p>
<p>When DS2 came through in an even bigger class the ability to filter data was gone and the privacy settings were severe to the point that a significant number of schools would not display their graphs at all - and this was for 8-10 years of data. As a result, Naviance was much less useful. 8 year old acceptance results could not be considered representative for this year’s seniors, non displaying graphs were of no use, the summary data calcs are inaccurate, etc. </p>
<p>And while Naviance is now more private, it is still not totally so. That acceptance outlier by itself at the bottom left of the graph with the stats way below even all the rejections at that prestigious university is for the lacrosse player now starring at that university. While everyone knew he committed on day one of recruiting as a junior and as such got in because of lacrosse long before anyone else could even apply - he really doesn’t need to have everyone also know his exact GPA and board scores.</p>
<p>That’s true, but decent people act as though they haven’t seen / noticed that, or they at least put it out of their heads upon seeing / realizing it. Otherwise, what are they going to do with the info that Louis Lacrosse had only a 3.2 and 1800 SAT? You can’t do anything with that info other than gossip about it to everyone else – and decent people don’t do that, and who cares what the not-decent people do? </p>
<p>^At least this way Larry Lacrosse with similar stats as Louis, knows that he has a chance at that college. And Mathson who knows the school has never accepted a top student knows his chances are minuscule. (Still griping about Stanford’s attitude about our school here!)</p>
<p>:) except that Larry Lacrosse doesn’t need Naviance - UVA/Hopkins/Princeton/etc. coaches will be contacting them long before they are ever given their Naviance ID. … and Louis’ data point is irrelevant to anyone else from the school (which ought be obvious from the graph, but will not be so from the compiled data or statistics) - BTW school accepted lots of top students whose data points were at the top right hand corner of graph, the as the spread moved down and to the left the results transitioned into rejections then further down and to the left below all the other applications was the other acceptance.</p>
<p>That point was of no statistical value to anyone and either privacy is important for everyone or it is not important. Just don’t see how saying everyone’s privacy except yours is important flies.</p>
<p>It strikes me as somewhat akin to how real estate transactions are reported in newspapers. You might discern from the newspaper that Bob and Mary Smith sold their home for $xxx,000, but what are you really going to do with that information? Beyond gossip about it?</p>
<p>If someone wants to sit there and take the time to figure out from Naviance that this point over here is Louis Lacrosse and that point is Ginny Genius and that point is Louisa Legacy and that point is Dennis Donator, then they clearly have few better things to do with their time, so let 'em. It can’t affect me or my kids in any way, shape or form. I’m not interested in figuring out the same thing for their kid because I don’t really GAS about their kid. People who sit and figure out things like that aren’t worth the time of day in trying to dissuade them.</p>
<p>Larry Lacrosse doesn’t even have to apply to attend. They may go back after the fact and fill out some forms in case someone cares, but the application and scores are largely irrelevant to the top lacrosse schools for the top lacrosse players. It’s not much different from the way Fred Football or Barry Basketball get in.</p>
<p>Well, if I had started looking at Naviance when my son was a freshman, and he’d had his heart set on Stanford. I could have told him not to waste his time getting good grades - playing lacrosse would be much more useful! I had no idea until I looked at those graphs that Stanford had such a poor opinion of our school and that being an athlete was such a plus. If the athlete’s squares hadn’t been sitting there on the lower end, I would never have known what Stanford is looking for. Luckily the east coast schools seem to think we are fine. </p>
<p>Personally if people figure out which points belongs to my kids on Naviance - I have no problem, but then they had pretty good grades and scores.</p>
<p>Pizza the difference between the real estate transaction and the personal college acceptance information is this; real estate transactions are, dependent on the area of the country, recorded in the public domain such as the county clerks or county registry of deeds. These are open to the public with no restrictions. The personal college acceptances are just that personal.</p>
<p>However, if privacy IS a concern or responsibility of the school district, then it ought be the same concern and responsibility for all of the students, not for just some.</p>
<p>It was somewhat irksome to find that much of the utility of naviance (including almost all of the LAC graphs) was removed in the name of privacy but one could still tell at a glance at some schools who certain dots were.</p>