<p>Then again, the kid who’s information can be readily determined at a glance MIGHT GAS</p>
<p>and in answer to soozievt that also might be why someone might not want to share his or her info with the GC</p>
<p>And I guess I don’t get how someone’s info becomes public knowledge. Who would know what my kids’ ACT and GPA are, besides them and maybe 1-2 very close friends? So there’s really little risk as far as I’m concerned to have their data be a data point on Naviance (presuming the school suppresses info when there are say 1 - 5 students applying).</p>
<p>I agree it’s no one else’s business. I’m just asking what someone figuring out a year after the fact by doing a little detective work that your kid had x SAT / ACT and y GPA and got into / didn’t get into College Z is going to do with that information that will impact you in any way, shape or form.</p>
<p>IOW, someone can only “tell at a glance” that this point over here belongs to so-and-so if someone was nosy in the first place. How else would you know? </p>
<p>And that’s why I liken it to the real estate transactions. I don’t go around saying my house cost $xx. But if someone finds out in the paper that I sold my house for $xx – ok, now they know that about me. But are they going to confront me with that, or bring it up to me? They can’t without revealing their own nosiness. Same thing with the Naviance points, IMO.</p>
<p>**HS threatens fine, etc if students don’t report college app outcomes **</p>
<p>Have they actually fined anyone or is it just a threat? Has any parent even called the school district and and asked if this is legal (if you are afraid to ask the school)? I am sure if a group of parents get together, the threat of publicity would be enough to have the school district review the demand. If the OP is concerned, the best place is start with district. Or call up the legal counsel at the district and ask them if the school can do it.</p>
<p>Taxpayers pay quite a bit of money each year for guidance. The kids want maximum service, but don’t want to contribute meaningful information that would be used for future years.</p>
<p>True story: Setting: competitive public with recent history of a suicide… Senior year, my kid’s best friend, a very bright kid on shaky emotional ground, with psychiatric treatment history, the wrong kind of family support, and lousy advisement, is rejected everywhere (no safeties were in the app mix). My kid, who had been very private about where applying to avoid competitive issues with peers, was accepted at many of the same colleges, but, because very concerned about friend’s state of mind after rejections, did not want friend to know about acceptances–felt it would complicate friend’s receptiveness to my kid’s support. My kid thought disclosing college acceptances (other than matriculation) to the high school, where this info was certain to be revealed, would cause further upset to the friend.</p>
<p>There are certainly other ways to think about this specific situation, but in a teen’s mind, withholding college outcomes information could seem like the right thing to do. I only bring this up because the greater good (served by sharing information) may not seem so compelling if an individual one cares about is hurt by that information in the short term. I would respect kids’ judgement in these matters. Many of them are over 18 by then anyway.</p>
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<p>I agree with the premise that school needs the information but the best way to get it is to have students be happy to share that information rather than threaten them with fines. My son’s GC knows exactly where student is going and she meets with seniors and captures the information when they tell her something. Most schools need a final transcript and this again provides information. As they say “You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar”</p>
<p>Proxy, is this a real high school really doing this? I don’t think they can fine or withhold services to kids who don’t give their information is the bottom line. You don’t have to give your school your SAT scores (just don’t fill out the high school info on the SAT form), you don’t have to tell them the results of your college applications either, except for the school that you are attending if they need those final grades. You do have to let them know where you are applying if any of your grades, recs and other things are to be sent there. </p>
<p>As for announcing where kids are going to school at award ceremonies or graduation, usually the student is asked or a form completed so that the info is correct. That procedure should be followed so that there is no confusion like announcing that R is going to Brown, when he is going to Pfovidence College. or that J is going to DePaul when he is going to DePauw. I would get it in writing from the students, I can tell you that. Also, that way the student knows the announcement is being made and any erros can be put on him. </p>
<p>If a student does not want the announcement made, I don’t see any problem in not saying anything about where s/he is going to college. All of the info that my sons’ school requests is strictly on a voluntary basis, but it looks like most everyone cooperates.</p>
<p>Yes, this is absolutely true. A real public high school did this.</p>
<p>I don’t care if it is legal or not: high schools need this information and students ought to provide it. Our HS doesn’t hand out graduation tickets until students comply. I am PERFECTLY FINE with that. I don’t expect the GC staff to spend their time running around begging the students for this info, and I assume that they have learned through long experience that this is the best way to get it in an efficient manner. We don’t have Naviance and no information about anyone is going to be shared.</p>
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<p>Being a public school, they cannot do something that is illegal. I am not a lawyer but if it gets to a court case, the school could end up by paying a big fine themselves.</p>
<p>Whether you care if something is legal or not, doesn’t make a bit of difference in this case. It matters ifit is legally challenged. Good luck to them about getting all of the kids to accurately report their college results. Especially when they are strong arming them. They may end up with more waitlists and acceptances reported than there are spots in a class. (exaggerating, tongue in cheek). </p>
<p>Consolation, somehow schools do join Naviance. Somehow they do get sufficient data without this sort of strong arming.</p>
<p>Cpt, as I said, our school does not have Naviance. Not all schools are willing or able to PAY for Naviance. Our school budget is under constant attack and must be approved by voters at a town meeting and at a subsequent referendum. Every cent is precious. I do not think that requiring the kids to drop into guidance with a very simple form listing their acceptance results in order to pick up their graduation tickets rises to a level that could reasonably be called “strong arming.” I think it does save guidance a lot of time running after kids who still have important forms composting in the bottom of their backpacks! Somehow those same kids had no problem expecting guidance to churn out all of their transcripts and recommendations. The least they can do is comply with a simple request, the results of which will not be shared with anyone except in the aggregate. Not only does our school does not announce acceptances or scholarship awards publicly, except in rare cases, but they certainly do not ask kids whether the school they will be attending gave them money, merit or otherwise! (The only monetary awards I can recall being announced at graduation/Class Day other than the local scholarships were that one kid received a National Merit Scholarship and another won a Pepsi scholarship, because both of those were public honors, not private financial matters.) If some kid chooses to falsify their info, so be it.</p>
<p>The point has been made here, but apparently it is worth repeating: someone’s private information is just that – private. Whether you see any reason why he shouldn’t share it is immaterial. The student doesn’t owe this info to the school…in our case we don’t have Naviance or anything like it. Our counseling staff DOES ask seniors to share their scholarship offer info because it gives the school terrific bragging rights to show the millions of dollars accrued (especially because each class is under 150 students).
But there is no pressure, and I am sure some people choose not to disclose this info.
Main point: students do not “owe” the school this info in exchange for the tasks the guidance staff has performed; those tasks are their jobs, and we pay them for performing them. If this info is of such great value to the school and they have so much difficulty getting it, I suggest they purchase it, just as we have purchased all kinds of info. And services from them.
Personally, I have no problem sharing any of this info with our school. But I strongly defend the rights of otherd NOT to provide it, for no other reason than that they don’t want to.</p>
<p>^^ MoSB, agree 100%</p>
<p>It does not make a lot of economic sense or practical sense for a school to pay the subscription fees to Naviance if only partial data is provided. But enforcement after-the-fact is legally treacherous. Seems to me that the way to do it (as with other aspects of enrollment at many private h.s.'s, anyway) is to make cooperation with Naviance a condition of enrollment. (Other conditions sometimes include things like agreeing to be photographed for publicity reasons, etc.)</p>
<p>At D1/D2’s h.s., college admissions results were verified before being posted. Usually notices of acceptances were sent to the college counselor as well as to the student. (I know because the c.counselor used to tell me that.)</p>
<p>When challenged over this, the school backed away from consequences. In all likelihood, the consequences hadn’t been well-considered or reviewed by the lawyers in the first place. I take the point that the usefulness of these college application survey programs like Naviance depends on the honesty of the responders, if no one does the work to confrim with colleges. </p>
<p>Thanks to all for your thoughtful responses.</p>
<p>I have no idea why many here are so against reporting such data–without the ill -thought fine threat aspect. It is important info for the school to know as it helps measure outcomes of their four years of education they provided–and better than just test scores. Very easy to keep all info confidential and just report aggregate numbers. Paranoid much?</p>
<p>“Paranoid much?”</p>
<p>Uh, didn’t used to be, but becoming more so all the time with the myriad intrusions into all aspects of our private lives and the technology to support it. </p>
<p>Privacy is a right worth defending.</p>
<p>This is hardly a privacy issue. It’s about measuring educational outcomes from a very expensive publiclly paid education.</p>