<p>How strong are these schools if I'm interested in graphic design/photography? The thing is, I'm kind of undecided between business or art, and I want to attend a school that's strong in both (all of the four schools mentioned are undoubtedly strong in business) so if I decide to switch majors, I won't be totally screwed if I attend a school that's ONLY famous of art or ONLY famous for business.</p>
<p>Sorry if that was incoherent, I've been doing APUSH like the whole afternoon.</p>
<p>One of my young coworker is H biology major ended up doing art.
It is said H is plain loaded and could get any materials done any project gone anywhere in the world as long as you can present your case.
We make soft toys and one day, needed to make 3Dshape like Willie Wonkas everlasting candy thigy (dont ask me what the shape is officially called) I could have done it manually but would have taken all day if not days, the kid typed in few words and out came patterns in like, seconds.
I was in awe mathematically technologically.
Downside of it is, why then not get any better job than ours? There is none really, at least for now.</p>
<p>One of the selective LAC painting chair I have met went to Penn for pre med, ended up doing art. He said Ps art dept is a joke but better than Penn at his time. His science training helped chemistry side of materials and how people see things.</p>
<p>I think, if you got brain to go to Ivies, go. You can think about it later. Apply all of them and see where youd get in.</p>
<p>i know that yale has a really good graduate art program, especially for photo. but they dont have any undergrad, so idk what you think of that.</p>
<p>I assume that, when you say HYPS, you mean Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford. But none of those schools offer any undergraduate business programs. So if you want to study business, you should pick other schools.</p>
<p>I’m generalizing. They have econ (which my sister is taking at Harvard right now) which most people who aspire for business school take.</p>
<p>Well. I disagree that you should go to an ivy and figure it out later. In my opinion, if you are inclined to consider a career in art, or even just driven to explore your potential as an artist, you should be looking at the schools that have the strongest and most well-respected art programs. Many of these schools have strong business schools or economics majors, as well. Prestige means nothing if you are not getting what you need to grow and learn in the area that is right for you. I am an artist and studied at a dedicated art school. That is fine for some people but others may want a more rounded education. There are many schools that have liberal arts, business and an excellent fine arts or graphic arts program. Some examples are Skidmore, Syracuse, University of Delaware and Boston University. Is your art important to you? Maybe it is and maybe it isn’t. If it isn’t, explore other careers and be content to keep your creative endeavors as a hobby or side interest. If it’s important, treat it with the same reverence that others on this sight treat their college search. Art is not a fall back major or easy out. It is a commitment that take guts, heart and infinite energy. Good luck. It is an exciting journey.</p>
<p>I seems your question has been answered by an array of viewpoints.</p>
<p>Some people, I am hoping, will answer my thread about the bearing of the home test at cooper union.</p>
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My understanding is that Yale has a very good undergraduate art program. I’d rank Yale higher than HYS.</p>
<p>I’d also take a look at Brown. Brown has a good studio program in its own right and you could also take design courses at RISD. The open curriculum would encourage experimentation as well.</p>
<p>Among LACs with good academics and good art and economics programs I’d suggest Williams and Wesleyan.</p>
<p>Dear EPTR
You got remember that you are talking to Asians here, me and OP: assuming from the username.
HY, maybe SP is the place no matter what, for them, their parents, neighbors, and ancestors.</p>
<p>I have visited and collected array of course catalogues from many schools and read them through. You won’t get same “more than arts” of Yale or Williams by going to Syracuse or RIT. Of course you are different, everyone is different. No offence.
Just that, during undergrad,say, gotten grant to travel and live/ learn/ teach in somewhere far out and know what’s going on there money - business-politics wise in the near future would do you good because that very country could would happened to be the place that all those jobs are going to be outsourced by the time you’ve done schooling, so you won’t make mistake of counting on doing color correcting or layout finishing to pay bills while hoping to make your name as a photographer.</p>
<p>and, you won’t be in the mess when you do become a photographer that Annie what hername is in, because you’d know how to count money and understand the contract through.</p>
<p>Bears and dogs
I am a Asian mom and my daughter is apply fine art major this year. I feel Ivies, like Yale, Brown and columbia will be something to try but never thought about HSP. Do you think it worth to try for fine art also?</p>
<p>I wish I could answer you. It all depends.
To get into those colleges, you’d stick supplement and say want to major in art. But it won’t actually happen until Soph or junior year and her interest could be totally changed by the time to something else or even to some other schools.
Does she have the score, numbers, ECs all that? Are you poor or rich enough so no $ worry?
Do you and your kid believe in Ivies and S, A, W whatever else?
Then go for it!</p>
<p>I am a sucker of “really” smart young people and it become habit of asking where they grow up. went school, what parent wanted, themselves wanted, are they happy, what are their dreams next year, 10 years from now, 20years…?
Assuming they are all telling truth, (I will throw in trick questions like, so did you get to touch those glass flowers in the Peabody museum?) I just can’t shake off elite schools dream. They are, well, better than the rest.
No, my kid has nothing of Ivies bound going on. Just a fantasy. Asian fantasy.</p>
<p>You have to make an informed decision about how strongly you feel about your art. Art is a very, very competitive field. You should have the best training in it possible.</p>
<p>Most of the HYPS are NOT that good for graphic design and photography except Yale. Yale has a very strong program in that area.</p>
<p>Brown, however, has a very good art program being near RISD plus you can take RISD courses. In fact, you could get duel admission to both Brown and RISD, which is probably you best solution.</p>
<p>Absent getting into Brown or Yale, I wouldn’t consider any of the other ivys for art. You should consider other schools that are known to have strong programs such as RIT, Syracuse, Cincinnati, Wash U St Louis, etc. Also, you might want to consider stand-alone art schools such as RISD, MICA and Pratt. Good luck</p>
<p>Most of the Ivies you mentioned have small departments with classes in traditional disciplines such as painting, drawing, photography, printmaking and/or sculpture. Few have graphic design.</p>
<p>Really?
Even Dartmouth has gorgeous museum and rather nice studios you could get free reign because no one else are using it. Small means what? number of students? endowment? oppotunities per capita?</p>
<p>By small, I mean a small number of professors and students, as well as a limited variety of courses. Dartmouth, for example, does not offer graphic design and a large percentage of its faculty are lecturers rather than professors, which often means that they may not be permanent and/or the faculty list could suddenly become smaller. This is not to say that it’s not a terrific place for the right student; the faculty is small but impressive. But there is not much breadth in the course offerings, so it wouldn’t be the right place for a student who wants to explore design in addition to fine arts.</p>
<p>The OP needs to look carefully at course offerings and permanent faculty in his areas of interest. Harvard has a very unbalanced program – permanent faculty is almost exclusively in the area of film and photography. Painting, drawing, printmaking are mostly taught by visiting faculty. No graphic design. </p>
<p>Princeton also has a limited program offering fine arts and film, but no graphic design. Only a very small number of studio classes are offered each semester. A large percentage of instructors are lecturers rather than professors and it’s unclear how permanent these faculty members are.</p>
<p>Do not pay much attention to the course catalog; rather, look at the actual list of classes offered for current and past semesters.</p>
<p>If you want to major in specific area of arts and get paying 25K/year assistant’s associate job right after undergraduate, yes. If that’s what OP wants, maybe.
But if kids wants to explore and find out more, aren’t they better place though, like, they’d have media/ film that does animation, video, communication blah blah, and/or CS that does 3D modeling, programming, publishing and whatnot and chances are in the class, you are sitting next to this math genius happened to be a century’s best draftsman or colorist just that s/he did not wanted to pursuer arts or son or daughter of big shot designer who can network you; those did not pick less prestigious/ challenging/ nerdy/ ******y/ preppy/ expensive school for many reasons as much as people choose against (or couldn’t get in/ afford) elite and high and mighty schools?
Dartmouth is maybe a poor example but if that’s where Dr. Seuss is made, I totally dig it, and he was told that he couldn’t draw. Aren’t we glad he didn’t go to art school?</p>