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<p>URM...hm yea should get at least one reach with those stats. Good luck.</p>
<p>Does anyone have a bit more of an insightful answer? Especially with regards to my safety?</p>
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<p>So let me get this straight, people are offended at me questioning whether involvement with 14, any 14, clubs can be meaningful, but are not offended at the blatant racist implications of the above statement? </p>
<p>The major audience on this board is supposedly over-achievers, so let’s do the math. Meaningful involvement means at least 2-3 hours a week per activity, or a minimum of 30 hours per week. School starts around 8am and ends around 3pm. With an additional involvement of 6 hours per day, DerrickA would not get home before 9pm on any particular day, on any one of the 36 weeks of the school year. Throw in the “hardest possible” schedule, and one is looking at homework till midnight, every weekday. And you want me to believe that this is being done for the sole purpose of enjoyment? Yeah, sure…</p>
<p>For the record, I am 42, have had a chance to compare Ivy grads against others more than the vast majority of people posting here. At DerrikA’s request, I will now “get out of his thread” and be envious of all the Ivy grads in the world.</p>
<p>I would have preferred if you had stayed out of the thread BEFORE your little parting shot.</p>
<p>1) You assumed that “meaningful involvement” involves 2-3 hours a week of club work.
- Fails to account for the fact competition seasons for clubs occur at different times
- Fails to account for the fact that some of them are honor societies, and are purely titular
- Fails to account for the fact that no hours were listed for the club
- Fails to account for the fact that some of the clubs (math team) meet one time a month.
- Statistically, there is a lower percentage of blacks at the upper decile than the lower deciles. So no, I’m not offended, I’m not afraid of the truth.</p>
<p>Your age is irrelevant if your arguments still sound like they were produced by a 9th grader.</p>
<p>Derrick, actually, that statement is not racist at all; its the truth. Let’s not sit here and be all PC; the OP sounds like a pretty down to earth guy and realizes that his race will benefit him. Refusing to acknowledge that he is one of the better students in his bracket is just dumb.</p>
<p>Well put. The truth is, having underrepresented minority status usually greatly benefits one’s college admissions process, and I don’t see a single URM complaining about it (nor should they).</p>
<p>Derrick you have very nice credentials and you could even leave the race box unchecked and still be competitive everywhere you’ve applied. Whats more you would probably do fine at those places too. And yes, Tulane seems to be a good safety. </p>
<p>Just one thing- it isn’t nice to tell someone to “get out of my topic”. This is an open forum. </p>
<p>Another thing- if you really want them to stay out of your topic then you shouldn’t respond to their “parting shot”.</p>
<p>Just something to keep in mind when you are dealing with other smart people at Harvard.</p>
<p>** This has to be his tenth chances forum lol, you know you’re a good applicant- do you really need the monthly ego boost?</p>
<p>Thanks for the input everyone.</p>
<p>Tubbz- This is actually my 3rd thread on chances, I just like to see how I’m evaluated as new stats come up</p>
<p>Not alot (1498) of test takers of ANY color have that composite. Well done! I don’t do chances…</p>
<p>I actually agree with Groovy…If I were black, hard-working, and got good grades, I wouldn’t want to hear “Your an underrepresented minority, you’re in for sure!” It seems as though you guys are basing his possible acceptance almost solely on race and I think that there is a racist edge to it. Surely, there isn’t equality in this sense. I think that the OP is a good student, does plenty of BS extracurriculars, and has good scores, so he should have a good shot. I realize that the URM situation is simply the reality of it, but many people here have simply mentioned that he is in because he is black, not because he is black, but most importantly a good student.</p>
<p>“does plenty of BS extracurriculars”</p>
<p>Which of my EC’s are BS?</p>
<p>this is like a superhuman…everyone is throwing in that race card but even the richest white kid from suburbia would get into any school with these stats. it’s strange though that people place so much emphasis on SATs around here. I believe colleges won’t differentiate that much between at 2150 and a 2350…if the 2350 has no ECs to make him stand out and the 2150 has everything like this kid, then they’d take the 2150.</p>
<p>DerrickA, i would consider one more safety, just in case. i’m sure you can get into tulane, but back it up with another school (that you like and feel comfortable with) for that tiny chance that you might not get in… good luck!</p>
<p>Those are excellent stats. I wish I had something remotely close to those.</p>
<p>How do you find the time to do all those extracurriculars? (i’m actually curious, because I personally have about a third of what you have and given how much I need to study, I don’t see how a student has time to squeeze in such an ambitious schedule)</p>
<p>For the people that said its racist for them to be talking about black people in such a way, I got National Achievement commended for like a 1900 that placed me in the top 100 (i believe) black students in the NATION. I would reckon the SAT average isn’t so high.</p>
<p>So if you figure 70/100 (thats being generous) all decide to apply to school, and only about 20-30/70 could afford app fees/tuition/etc, then you realize that at least 5-10 will be rejected from top schools, and the schools are competing for literally somewhere between 15-30 blacks in a REALLY good year. Do you understand now why statements like this could be made?</p>
<p>And I’m black btw. </p>
<p>P.S. Consider that my 1900 got me in the top 100 in 11th grade, so I mean think about when yo break those 2000-2100 and once your in the 2200 range its like > 30 blacks up there. I mean hell theres only like 1400 kids nationally that get that. If I had to guess the split would be something like 600 asian, 400 white, 30-50 black, 30-50 spanish, 300 undeclared (usually white or asian so split this between the two).</p>
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Don’t be mean to mj93 :p</p>
<p>Oh, I don’t see why Stern is a reach for you?</p>
<p>hyakku, I’m not disagreeing, but if I’m not mistaken, National Achievement commended put’s you in the top 5% percent. It could be 2.5%. Top 100% wouldn’t be so special. I believe 2.5 % would include about 4000 Black test takers.</p>
<p>@1400 get THAT score, but there are thousands that are higher. Just wanted to clarify my post #31 above.</p>
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<p>You mentioned that any rich white kid in suburbia can get in with those stats.
Perhaps, but what about an Asian kid?
AA is AA is AA. When it is abolished it generally only changes the white population at a college by a few percentage points. It’s the Asians that go up by 10+%… they’re the ones being kept out, not the Caucasians.
So yes, there really is <em>no</em> way to evaluate him without considering his race, one of the most important admissions factors for any minority - ORM or URM.</p>