I didn't waive my right on common app... is this gonna affect my chances?

<p>I didn’t waive my right in the common app regarding the recommendation.
Is this gonna hurt my chances of getting in ?
I already submitted cuz i’m doing ed
but after finding out it might hurt my chance,
I think I should waive my rights for RD if I don’t get in early…
But, really, does it hurt my chance?</p>

<p>i didn’t even tell my teachers that i did this.
i mean, I thought everyone would not be waiving their rights…
I thought if I get in, and if I’m curious or sth,
I could see it if I wanted to… and I didn’t even know there was an option for this until I actually read the common app…
urrgggg. I really luv brown.
I hope they don’t reject me because of this…:(</p>

<p>For your information they (teachers or counselors) automatically know if you waived or not your recommendations because they see it in the screen when filling out their part, YOU have the right as student to obtain any info related to you because the FERPA so don’t worry, </p>

<p>Under FERPA, schools must generally afford students who are 18 years or over, or attending a postsecondary institution:</p>

<pre><code>* access to their education records

  • an opportunity to seek to have the records amended
  • some control over the disclosure of information from the records.
    </code></pre>

<p>well, my teachers all sent it by mail. and when I wanted to submit the common app, they wouldn’t let me unless I put down the teachers name… so I just put it down. Brown said they got all the required materials so I guess that doesn’t matter. Thanks for your response, I was getting really worried.</p>

<p>I read somewhere that schools see it as a sign of trust and feel like what they’re getting from the teachers/counselor is unfiltered when you waive your right. But I doubt it’ll have much of an impact on your application. In the future, I’d say waive it just to give you as much possible advantage, but it is your right.</p>

<p>dang it!!! I just realized… I already gave all my recs to all of my teachers and they already sent everything :frowning: Is there a way I could fix this?</p>

<p>What do you mean? Like for all of your RDs?
I’m not sure if you can fix it. Since your teachers wrote their recommendations and it makes no difference anyway. Like, if Brown was concerned with filtered recommendations, it wouldn’t matter if you waived your right after they’d already been written.</p>

<p>yea my teachers already sent it to all the RD schools as well. I really would change it if I could… I just hope the admission officers won’t look at me in a negative way just because of this. I didn’t even realize that it might be negative… just thought I had the right and option to do it so I just did. Please someone confirm that it won’t sway my chance to colleges :(</p>

<p>I seriously wouldn’t worry too much.
It is your right after all.
I doubt it’ll influence anyone’s decision.</p>

<p>Upon hearing about this, I called Stanford’s office of undergraduate admissions and the officer confirmed that it would be to an applicant’s advantage to waive his/her rights as not to raise suspicion regarding the integrity of the letters of recommendation.</p>

<p>EDIT: Brown’s office was already closed which is why I called Stanford, however, I suspect that it would be the same with all selective colleges.</p>

<p>Yeah… I did what you did, I didn’t waive my rights. And this is the first time I’m hearing that it might have a negative impact… so I doubt it?</p>

<p>I don’t think that it’s much of an issue - they’re not going to think less of your letters of rec unless they seem really forced. And honestly, why would your teachers care that much?</p>

<p>34 C.F.R. 99.12(c)(1):</p>

<p>"A waiver under paragraph (b)(3)(i) of this section is valid only if:</p>

<p>(i) The educational agency or institution does not require the waiver as a condition for admission to or receipt of a service or benefit from the agency or institution; and . . . ."</p>

<p>As a matter of policy, Stanford probably shouldn’t be suggesting that admissions decisions are based in part on waiver of FERPA rights. In reality, it probably does get looked at by some schools, but I’d be very surprised if it mattered much – certainly not enough to justify worrying or trying to change the situation after the fact.</p>

<p>Crap! I’m international so we don’t get any advice for applying to US schools. I didn’t waive my rights because I thought we could only view them AFTER being matriculated to university! Now I am SUPER WORRRIEEEEEEED ,especially since my teachers already submitted their recs :(</p>

<p>However, my teacher TOLD me, voluntarily, that the recommendations they wrote about me were really good.</p>

<p>I have nothing to hide! The only reason why I didn’t waive my rights is because of my curiosity. I want a chance to see the recs, but only AFTER the entire process is over and done with and I can’t change anything! UGH!!! COMMON APP, WHY MUST YOU DO THIS TO ME???</p>

<p>“because I thought we could only view them AFTER being matriculated to university”</p>

<p>That is right.</p>

<p>So will retaining my rights hurt me? :frowning: I just e-mailed some of the schools I’m applying to this year. Oh no, I am so worried right now. I really wish that Common App had made the rules more clear. I would have totally waived my rights if it meant that I could have a better chance! I don’t want to see my recs right now-only after I graduate high school! UGH!</p>

<p>Please read my earlier message.</p>

<p>People: for the love of whatever, please stop freaking out about this minute issue.</p>

<p>I did read it, but I’m still worried. Are you applying this year & did u waive ur rights?</p>

<p>First of all, reading this thread should provide comfort to those who did not waive their rights under FERPA. Look at how many of you didn’t waive them!</p>

<p>Second, why wouldn’t you waive your rights? Are you really going to go to the trouble of requesting to see your recommendations? After you’ve been accepted? Why would you care? You’re giving up a right you are never going to exercise – so, you’re not actually giving up anything. By the same token, the fact that you didn’t sign the waiver doesn’t change the fact that 99.99% of you won’t ever bother to look at these recommendations. The fact that the legal right still exists for some of you doesn’t change the more critical fact that about 14 people in all of the U.S. will bother to exercise that legal right. So, on the one hand, you have a pool of applicants who can’t look at their recommendations. And, on the other hand, you have a pool of applicants who can look at their recommendations but – except for 14 of you – never will. Is there really any difference here? And is it enough of one for an admission officer to cling to a general impression of the first pool that is diametrically opposite from the impression s/he has of the other pool?</p>

<p>Third, the fact that a college openly says that recommendations with waivers are generally more credible than recommendations without waivers does not mean that there’s something of value being given. The waiver is still effective. Those colleges are simply explaining what should be obvious: a recommendation made in strict confidence is likely to be more candid and frank. Alerting you to this reality does not invalidate the waiver.</p>

<p>But…that “logic” leads me to the fourth and final point: college admission offices that make the above assumption are just being silly because recommendations made with waivers are not the same as recommendation made in strict confidence. Not even close. And that’s why few admission offices actually make that assumption. (They may tell you that, to encourage you to sign the waiver…but I don’t think they’re so gullible and naive to actually believe what they’re telling you.) Admissions officers know full well that plenty of people sign the waiver and, with the full consent of the recommenders, review and discuss the recommendations with their teachers before the recommendations are sent to the colleges. Remember: the waiver is not a promise that you’ll never see the recommendation. It just says you won’t make the college release it to you. Your recommenders may still share the recommendations with you. And that happens frequently. And everyone knows it happens frequently. Even when the waiver has been signed. So the signed waivers do not provide any insurance or indication to the colleges that the recommendations were made in confidence. And that means there’s no logical reason to think that they’re more candid and frank than recommendations without the waiver. Frankly, if I was an admission officer and trying to draw conclusions from the presence of a waiver, I’d have to conclude that the people who did NOT sign the waiver are less likely to have seen the recommendations beforehand and are incredibly unlikely to actually exercise their non-waived rights later on…so I’d have more confidence in the candor of that group of recommendations than the ones WITH the waivers.</p>

<p>Bottom line: If, for whatever reason, you didn’t sign the waiver, you should chill out…because any admission office that dings you for not signing the waiver works for a college you probably don’t want to attend. And because I just don’t see that actually happening. I think the waiver’s there to encourage the oddball high school teacher who insists on it to write needed recommendations but – beyond that – I don’t think colleges pay it much attention unless and until the oddball student comes along and asks to see the recommendations.</p>

<p>That said, just go ahead and sign the darn thing. Even though, at this particular point in time, being able to peek at your application file probably seems terribly important to you, it won’t matter at all once you graduate high school. By then you’ll be headed off to college and you won’t be looking back. You’ll only be embarrassed later on if you think back at the idea that you might want to see what high school teachers wrote about you, so spare yourself that internal embarrassment and sign it.</p>

<p>Wow, that made me feel better. Thank you! I think ALL admission officers should read your post. Amazing logic.</p>

<p>D’yer Maker: Awesome post.</p>

<p>RainbowSprinkles: You still don’t quite seem to get it. D’yer was explaining what admissions offices do, not advocating what they should do. The reason you shouldn’t be worried is precisely because admissions officers act in the way that D’yer suggests they act.</p>