I don't get this Ivy Love thing...

<p>"Especially those who attended academically rigorous high schools like the one I attended where state/city flagship colleges were regarded as fallbacks for those at the middle-bottom of the class. "</p>

<p>-None of these is going on where we live. My own D. happily went and happily graduated Summa Cum Laude (Phi Betta Kappa) from state UG (full tuition Merit award for all 4 years) and was accepted to several Med. Schools, including few in top 20. She graduted #1 from her private Prep. HS and was part of UG Honors college that accepts only 200 top qualifiers (had to be top 2% in HS class with ACT=31+). Very many in Honors were valedictorians from private HS’s just like my D.
All this hype about elite colleges are for insecure people who do not rely on their own work ethic to achieve their goals at any place. D. was accepted at every school she has applied with huge Merit awards. This includes one private that gave her about $27k/year for 4 years. She was not aspired to apply to any Ivy / Elite. There are many top caliber students who do not care about prestige and are very happy with their choices. They are treated very well by their state UG’s, they are presented with opportunites way beyond their dreams in addition to awesome financial packages that allow them to be much more finanacially secure starting at Med., Law, any Grad. School.</p>

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Dap - probably not a nice thing to question people’s motives and call them names for their college choices. I think your daughter’s choice is great, but others may prefer other paths for their own reaxons other than “insecurity.” </p>

<p>BTW -
Phi Betta Kappa </p>

<p>Is this the ichthyology honor society?</p>

<p>PS - Couldn’t resist. I know it’s a typo.</p>

<p>That’s reasons btw. I’m not immune from typos myself. I just keep picturing graduation from a school of betta fish.</p>

<p>Then there’s Mo’ Betta Kappa. :)</p>

<p>MiamiDAP has been singing this song for years and if we are going to talk about motives, I really wonder why there is such a strong need to repeatedly justify one’s family’s choice of schools. We get it- MiamiDAP regards Miami of Ohio as superior to any other school in the universe and anyone who might choose a prestigious private is doing so because they are insecure or wanting to show off to their friends. </p>

<p>I believe that for pre-med (for those students who actually stick with pre-med, which many don’t) a state school or smart financial choice (i.e. Curmudgeon’s D) can certainly be the right move in light of the cost of med school down the road. I just don’t understand the need to slam everyone else’s choices, especially for those who are more motivated by a certain level of peers. Miami of Ohio is not one of my favorite schools- I have made that clear- but I’m glad it worked out for MiamiDAP’s daughter. I am not anti state school at all. I went to a Big Ten school myself, but I don’t try to shove my choice- or the totally different choices made by my kids- down everyone’s throat.</p>

<p>MOWC,
Your dislike of Miami has no grounds. Miami has worked for very many, my D. is just another student in a crowd. Many other state schools worked for very many, all my family members. I have said before, others’ choices are their business, but somebody ere needs to balance them out, otherwise perception in not balanced. Picture painted on CC is that you are doomed if you are not going to Ivy/Elite, yes, many call it a tragedy if a kid did not get into one of those. I am saying that it is by far not true. Low expectation of other UG is not based on anything, but ranking and prestige. If you dig a bit deeper, you will find very many amazing facts about other places.</p>

<p>MOWC certainly has never painted the picture that someone is headed nowhere unless they get into an Ivy/elite. And she is entitled to “like” or “dislike” any school she so desires.</p>

<p>Pizza,
I did not address my original post here to MOWC. She always steps in when I mention UG. She likes to point out the name of UG that my D. went and she always say that she does not like it. I appreciate hearing her opinion about this UG over and over, but she does not have to use my D. to express it. It is her opinion, my kid has nothing to do with it as well as many other who loved being there for 4 wonderful years.</p>

<p>Yes, I have opinions and I’m permitted to express them. I’m not a fan of what I consider “half-a88ed” state schools, with the exception of William & Mary and maybe a couple of others. To me, the true benefits of a state school are lost in these smaller wannabes. That’s my opinion. I realize Miami of Ohio (by the way, your screen name might be just a little clue…) has a lot of fans. It is you, MiamiDAP, that constantly claims that your daughter’s experience should be the standard by which the school is judged and proof that no one should ever choose an Ivy or other highly ranked private.</p>

<p>And, if you will recall, I do have a lot of information and background about Miami-Ohio since many kids from my area do attend as an alternative to our large state university.</p>

<p>Among the keys to traveling along the road to success are: natural ability, dedication, education, use of education, personality, financial support, and good fortune. The education is an important piece, but college is not even necessary to fulfill that piece for the ubertalented. </p>

<p>All of the angst about where our kids go is wasted energy, and I have certainly wasted more than my share on that topic. As parents, we care and strive for any advantage we can find for our kids. We view the colleges that they attend as part of that advantage and create narratives to show how we have done the best for our children, which then offend - either intentionally or inadvertently - parents who have created different narratives for their children. </p>

<p>However, a highly motivated intelligent kid is likely to do well going to any “good” college, and probably even without college if they are autodidacts. “Good” means a college with well-qualified professors with more knowledge than the student has and a reasonable ability to convey it, and the facilities needed to master the subject matter.</p>

<p>Beyond that, the differences become subjective. Going to HYP does not automatically confer superstar status on the student, it depends what you do there. If you do very well at HYP, there is no question that many opportunities for employment or graduate school will be presented to you. However, you must still perform well on those ventures to be successful, and hope that your field is not wrecked by stirrings of the global economy. The top students from most major universities and good LACs will have excellent opportunities as well - perhaps not exactly the same ones as the top HYP graduate with respect to Wall Street and other major corporations, but if you do not plan to work for a major corporation, it shouldn’t matter much. </p>

<p>Fifty percent of each class at HYP is not going to be in the top half. Is it better to be in the top 10% at U.C. Davis than the bottom half of the class at an Ivy? That probably depends upon what you want to do and where you want to do it. There is no one right answer. </p>

<p>On the other hand, I suspect that very few parents or students would prefer to go somewhere other than an elite university or LAC if the student is admitted and has the financial ability to go, absent some compelling tie to the non-elite school tipping the scale in that direction (research with a specific professor, etc.). We generally and reasonably assume that better reputation means better education and better opportunities, though that is not universally the case. Some kids would be far better served emotionally going to a place where they may excel with less stress - sometimes “ruling in hell” is better than “serving in heaven.” The big fish in the small pond might be noticed more than the small fish in the back of the school.</p>

<p>The thrashing about on CC about the relative merits of our children’s choices probably reveals more about the personality of the participants than anything else. Although the rivalries can become entertaining in a reality TV sort of way, I hate reality TV.</p>

<p>Do you think people would watch a reality TV show about the college process? Pick few kids from different background, watch the whole drama unfold, there is an end, some happy and some tragic. I think there is a real making of a TV show. CC could be the sponsor.</p>

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<p>The problem is that then all of the kids would have an automatic hook by being TV celebrities, so their experiences would not be reflective of “typical” kids applying to colleges, if they apply to highly selective private colleges looking for “interesting” students in a holistic process.</p>

<p>I was going to copyright this and maybe thinking about retirement.</p>

<p>oldfort, I think it’s a great idea–the problem is that it would only be interesting if it was in real time, so the colleges would know about it, and it might alter the results.</p>

<p>MOWC,
Stop talking about my D. She is mine, not yours.</p>

<p>I think most people know where D1 went to college, and it is because I have mentioned quite a few times on this board. I have kept my kids´ private high school out of this board´s discussion, and I would be upset if someone should mention it without my permission. Most of us do respect each other´s privacy, but when we openly disclose it on this board, I think it is an open game.</p>

<p>I’m amazed at your comment, oldfort, given the number of times you have dragged my daughter into discussions. I haven’t complained about that, but it does boggle my mind to see you pontificating about respecting others’ privacy.</p>

<p>Excuse me? Have I disclosed anything about your daughter which you have not discussed on this forum? I don´t think I am that interested about your daughter. I just do not share any of your views about life.</p>

<p>Ivies are great schools. If you can afford it or get aid to make it doable, good for you. No reason not to love them. Dissing other schools though is ignorant.</p>

<p>I went to a half a$$ed fourth tier state school. Certainly changed my life. I have Berkeley grads working for me…guess the school isn’t the only determining factor in how things work out.</p>

<p>Miami of Ohio - I think they chose the Miami name just to fool prospective students about the crappy Ohio weather. </p>

<p>There are an amazing number of great schools in the country. Different strokes for different folks and all that.</p>

<p>Sorry MiamiDAP, you have discussed your daughter, her numerous ECs and her success at Miami-Ohio and her multiple medical school acceptances on about 100 threads. I am not in the least belittling your daughter or her success. Good for her! When people share information about themselves or their children on a public forum, comments are invited.</p>