i know this will make me look dumb, but i think cc is pretty hard

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<p>Personally, I felt that CC was really easy. I’m really not trying to brag, just trying to add to this discussion we’re having. Out of my 60 units, I only received two B’s on tests or papers. One came recently (like last week) because I’ve been, to be completely honest, slacking off this semester. However, I have always worked and studied. I sacrificed much of my social life to earn good grades to transfer. The most important thing for me was knowing what the professor was looking for on exams or papers. Once you have that information, it’s simply a matter of memorization and understanding key concepts. </p>

<p>I can’t wait to transfer. With that said, CC was a great choice – saved money and got into a better school as a transfer than I could ever have out of high school. Overall, CC is a great option for those who, coming out of high school, don’t have the options to attend the schools they would like to.</p>

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<p>@Empathy:</p>

<p>I attended SMC and none of my classes articulated as CS61A/B/C, EE20 or EE40. Except for EE20 (still need to take it, probably in my last semester) I’ve taken all these classes at Cal. I think it’s neither a good nor bad thing having these classes not transfer. I have seen people transfer them and then having major problems in upper-divisions where the programming/algorithm knowledge is required. I wouldn’t say they are really necessary in order to do well, but you need some programming background and most CC classes won’t be able to provide you with that.</p>

<p>In general, well, what do you want to know? My experience here, academically at least, has been pretty good. I’m doing very well in my classes and I don’t regret attending a CC. As for my option, well, it’s not something you need to declare formally. I don’t even remember the options :wink: I’m just taking what seems interesting to me while paying attention to fulfill all requirements. I guess my options would be IV or V since I am focusing on CS and won’t take many EE classes. If you have any other questions about EECS specifically, you’re welcome to ask.</p>

<p>Tips? This may sound obvious, but really try to complete everything possible at your CC, including General Education Requirements. By that I mean get as much as possible from <a href=“http://www.coe.berkeley.edu/students/current-undergraduates/advising/hssreq.pdf[/url]”>http://www.coe.berkeley.edu/students/current-undergraduates/advising/hssreq.pdf&lt;/a&gt; out of the way. EECS classes already take a lot of time/effort, so don’t waste it by taking GEs you could have completed at your CC. TIME MANAGEMENT IS KEY. The time will limit how well you can do in your classes, that’s what I’ve learned here. If I had more time to complete assignments or projects I could get perfect A+s in everything, everything is tradeoff. Do you rather want to lose a few points on this HW or on that project in order to maximize grades in both classes? The time pressure is something I’ve never experienced at a CC, that’s the big change.</p>

<p>Units, well, it doesn’t really matter as long as you fulfill everything. I think I had something like 72 units when I transferred. Don’t overload yourself in your first semester at Cal, stick with the minimum so you can get used to everything and develop good study habits.</p>

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<p>Thanks for the tips. I’ve been reading your post feed, and have found it really useful (most of the threads you respond to are EECS threads). Sorry if that’s a little creepy. </p>

<p>At my CC, a combination of Assembly and Data Structures meets the 61B requirement, but nothing else articulates. From looking at Hilfinger’s exams, it seems like I didn’t learn anything I should have in Assembly and Data Structures. So I might heed your advice in that regard. I’ll have to see what my FA says, should I get in to Cal. </p>

<p>I hope you don’t mind, but while I have your attention, I’m going to lob as many questions at you as I can. (Feel free to not answer as many as you wish. No hard feelings.)</p>

<p>What were your transfer stats, if you don’t mind?</p>

<p>Is the competition, in classes, as bad as it’s made out to be? </p>

<p>Which side of campus should EECS majors live on?</p>

<p>What are most EECS majors like? Friendly? Helpful? Cut-throat? Shut-in?</p>

<p>Is there anything I should be doing prior to transfer to help receive internships? Do you find yourself less desirable for internships, given your status as a transfer?</p>

<p>Are there any particular study habits/techniques you’ve found especially useful (aside from working hard)?</p>

<p>And are there any UD classes that are must takes, in terms of how fun and enlightening the material was?</p>

<p>I think I’ve taken enough of your time. I can’t stress enough how much I appreciate your initial response and potential second response. Thanks so much. :smiley: :D</p>

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<p>Im sorry but there are very few if any majors that can compare to the difficulty of a science major. I am majoring in mechanical engineering myself and it is a ridiculous amount of hours I have to put into my classes(all thanks to programming and chemistry) in order to maintain my gpa at 3.9+. it is incomparable. i doubt any humanities class, or non-science course for that matter would require 6-10 hours of hw a week on top of 12 or whatever many hours of chemistry lab a week on top of lecture(mind you this is for 1 class). Top that off with math, physics, programming, engineering sciences, and you’ve got yourself a reason to jump off the berkeley math building. now a college degree is a college degree, whether that is in poli sci, comm, eecs, or engineering. we are already a leg up by pursuing one. just please, for all of you who aren’t going to graduate with B.S. stamped on the diploma, try to complain less about your coursework, because ours is tenfold more rigorous(ok maybe not tenfold but you get the idea).
PS. @empathy do they teach data structs and assembly in one class at ur cc?</p>

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<p>From my 3 quarters of CCC, I have come to the conclusion that it is easy to get a B and requires effort to get an A.</p>

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<p>It’s not easy to get a 4.0 unless you dodge all the hard professors (which I don’t do, never used ratemyprof), but a 3.5+ should be a piece of cake regardless of your major.</p>

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<p>“I will never ever ever listen to an art major, photo major, or any humanities major complain about hard school work”</p>

<p>Are you claiming that your major is somehow more difficult than every single major in the arts and humanities division? That’s not only boastful, it’s heavily impugnable. You can’t measure the difficulty of majors. Some things come easy to some people. One person can perform calculus in their sleep, yet make about as much sense as a third grader when evaluating and forming arguments about any kind of literature; while some people can impress the dean with their flawless Shophistry, their eloquence in writing, yet freeze up when a single equation sits before them. Enough with the broad generalizations.</p>

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<p>@SFwarrior No they are separate, but taking them both articulates as one class. I think some campuses do have them as one class. Assembly language is a lot of fun if you haven’t taken it yet.</p>

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<p>^^I really want to take it. I have to do it in stride though. Although I don’t need to know it, I like programming. I mean its tedious as hell sometimes(ok most times), but its great. As far as I know, data structs is done using C++, so I was about to be like that must be one rigorous ass class if it was in assembly.</p>

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<p>I personally did all my math up to differential equations, did the entire engineering physics, the general chemistry sequence, a biology and anatomy course, and up to intermediate programming in C++.</p>

<p>The only Bs I got were in Spanish and this one literature class. Most of the work I put into my science classes were like the night before. CC was way easy, even the science classes were a breeze. No way I put in “60 hours” of school a week, that’s ridiculous for CC! I didn’t even do that much when I took 28 units. You will all definitely understand how much harder it gets at the UC level. That isn’t to say you won’t succeed. But if you don’t adjust to the new workload, you will get left behind.</p>

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<p>^^ I am personally hating the math at cc. its too…computational. although is should probably like that since im an engineer and not a pure math major, but still. even linear here was computational… proofs please. How are the upper div maths at the UCs though? I’d like to pursue a minor in math so id probably have to take UD math coursework.</p>

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<p>Thank you Thomas_ and SFWarrior.</p>

<p>I am tired of people like EmpathyInAnarchy insulting CC and other students when they are majoring in some easy major like psychology, philosophy, or some other major. </p>

<p>Overall, I had challenging classes and easy classes at my CC. I would say CC is harder than my HS, but then again I am not going to ratemyprofessor.com and picking the easiest teachers and majoring in philosophy-you are only cheating yourself. </p>

<p>I would say UC is harder overall, but a lot of these people on here are just paranoid people who have no firsthand experience. </p>

<p>Got to love the pseudo-intellect these people portray on online forums. And I am not pinpointing anyone in particular, I just happened to glance at EmpathyInAnarchy.</p>

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<p>I’m sorry what did I say disparaging Humanities majors? I love the humanities.</p>

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<p>SFwarrior, you’ll get a taste of proofs in UD. I have at least one proof on all my LA exams at CC. If you truly like programming and proofs, take discrete math – lots of fun!</p>

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<p>Also, SFwarrior, in regard to data structures + assembly, I believe they are taught together to teach C++ linking and optimization. Certainly, it would be very rigorous.</p>

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<p>115A at UCLA, the upper division linear algebra class. Is all proofs. In general, any of the pure upper div math classes at the UCs will be entirely proof-oriented. I would recommend taking discrete at your CC if you want an adequate background in proofs before attempting any of the UD pure math classes.</p>

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<p>@lintij (aka vintij)</p>

<p>So you got banned, and you are still ■■■■■■■■! I don’t read your posts anymore, given your blatant, incorrect use of words, to make yourself appear intelligent. </p>

<p>"I personally did all my math up to differential equations, did the entire engineering physics, the general chemistry sequence, a biology and anatomy course, and up to intermediate programming in C++.</p>

<p>The only Bs I got were in Spanish and this one literature class. Most of the work I put into my science classes were like the night before. CC was way easy, even the science classes were a breeze. No way I put in “60 hours” of school a week, that’s ridiculous for CC! I didn’t even do that much when I took 28 units. You will all definitely understand how much harder it gets at the UC level. That isn’t to say you won’t succeed. But if you don’t adjust to the new workload, you will get left behind."</p>

<p>Wow, that is very impressive! Congratulations. I guess all your teachers are bad-or you are a genius or a ■■■■■. If you did this good at CC, I am sure you will get a 3.8+ at UC. </p>

<p>While I have not taken engineering physics (calculus based), I know our physics teacher at my school teaches at a level comparable to Stanford. I guess it is unfortunate that your teacher makes it so you don’t study and you are able to get good grades. For example, his class stars out with 60 students, and 8-10 take the final and 1-2 get A’s and 8 or less pass.</p>

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<p>^^@empathy & @ramga I already took discrete and loved that class. the professor was world class and it was great. i just wish my math teachers would take a more proof based approach to things. as far as proofs for linear, when i took it a few sems ago, the only proofs that showed themselves were “prove this is a vector space over the blah blah blah and is this a subspace” kinda crap. ^^@show at my cc the chem and physics departments are extremely well regarded…and feared for their rigor. The e&m calc based physics in general saw, out of 60 or so students(spread out through 2 classes), a total of about 5 As, 10ish Bs and Cs, D’s across the board. The first test alone saw soo many F’s the average score was a 42%. I know first hand what you mean when you say some profs are indeed hard(Biot-Savart derivations come to mind).</p>

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<p>Only a couple of my math classes were proof heavy. Unfortunately, the only teacher that has been teaching LA & DE has been really easy, and she does not go into proofs that much. </p>

<p>And yes, I would agree that the heavy science majors experience great challenges. I believe the calculus based physics series is probably one of the hardest out of all CC classes. </p>

<p>I have not taken discrete math yet-I want to so bad!!! Right now, I am taking symbolic logic, which is very interesting.</p>

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<p>@thebigshow you are consistently addressing the wrong people.</p>