<p>You choose your own limit, the mind has no limit.</p>
<p>I completely and utterly disagree :)</p>
<p>I think there are different “plateaus” of intelligence that certain people can never reach. I, for instance, will never understand the mathematical relationships present in the natural world like Einstein did. I will never be able to think philosophically in a manner as sophisticated as Socrates. Those are some of the highest plateaus.</p>
<p>I think, for some people, a 2400 or even a 2200+ or 2100+ is a “plateau” that simply can’t be reached in the given timeframe (do keep in mind that there are only a certain number of available test dates, and nobody takes all of them). </p>
<p>You mention studying english grammar for a year, learning 2000 vocab words, or reading pre-1900 novels. Do you realize that it is literally PHYSICALLY impossible for the vast majority of Americans to memorize 2000 vocab words for a test? Also, the majority of minds can’t fully comprehend elaborate novels or master the use of english grammar, no matter how long and hard they try.</p>
<p>Now, I would definitely say that a 2400 is certainly no limitation for the majority of kids on CC. But we’re not normal. By any means. At all. lol</p>
<p>^ Quix, that’s a very Eastern way of thinking. IMO, unless you tie that into your [Eastern] religious beliefs, in which case I can’t really argue with you, it’s a faulty statement.</p>
<p>Science would tend to disagree with you.</p>
<p>Hookem, you really seem to be overestimating the SAT. If a person scores a 1750 and is not born with mental handicaps - that person is fully capable of turning that score into at least a 2000+, if they study efficiently. The SAT doesn’t require all that much intelligence - really. The math is pretty simple, testing the most basic concepts - the problem is to avoid making careless errors. The grammar can easily be improved by orienting yourself to the type of questions asked and learning the errors tested (EX: parallelisms, pronoun errors, ETC) as well as learning to pick the most concise answer. Not sure about the reading as I notice some people struggle with this, but I’m sure any competent person can bring that up to a 600+ with the right kind of prep and amount.</p>
<p>Study consistently and practice, practice, practice for 6 months to a year. Then you’ll have a more realistic shot.</p>
<p>Yeah, hookem, you’re being a bit too pessimistic. :P</p>
<p>1750 to a 2000+ is very possible. Especially because the lower your score is, the easier it is to raise it a certain amount. A 1700 to a 2100 is much easier than a 2000 to a 2400. Partly because the closer you get to the top, the fewer mistakes you can afford and the more meticulous you have to be.</p>
<p>But hookem does have some good points. A 1750 to a 2400 is very unlikely. Possible, but highly unlikely. And, in any case, a 1750 to a 2400 will probably take more than just a couple of months of study. It’ll really take hardcore studying for quite a while to get such a high score.</p>
<p>Quix thinks that anything is possible. This may be true, but there are certain different degrees of intelligence. As arrogant and haughty as this may sound, I think that it would take me (or someone else who started high) a significantly shorter amount of time and a significantly less amount of work to achieve a 2400 than someone who started at 1750. So, yes, anything may be possible. But if you’re not naturally quick enough, it’ll take you work and determination and perseverance to really play with the big boys.</p>
<p>And just to lighten up the mood a bit, this thread is finally going somewhere. We’re actually talking about meaningful stuff now. :P</p>
<p>I think improving from a 1750 to a 2000+ is possible, especially if the reason for the 1750 is due to careless mistakes. When I did the PSAT last year, as a sophomore, I didn’t like my score, but when I went online to review the questions that I missed, I got most of them right, which leads me to believe that my score was due to carelessness and rushing, since I remember having a lot of time left and not really wanting to do the test (the school forced us to and I was hungry). I think it is possible if someone was to study a little harder and remember not to rush and make careless mistakes.</p>
<p>“Do you realize that it is literally PHYSICALLY impossible for the vast majority of Americans to memorize 2000 vocab words for a test?”</p>
<p>I sure wouldn’t mind coating myself with a couple of thousand SAT words for test day, literally. </p>
<p>I guess we can all come to one consensus: Hookem’s an idiot. Im sorry if thats rude but seriously?! Relax buddy. i was just trying to insert a bit of inspiration/encouragement in this tirade of insults towards poor ivyboy. I think its pretty damn obvious that intelligence isn’t equally distributed amongst human population, we don’t need you to give us an personal story about how you can never think like socrates-thats your problem. I was simply putting in a general statement that may or may not apply to various situations, and one of which it can apply-to some extent- is the SATs. I guess i should’ve made it more clear. </p>
<p>Now, you seem to idolize socrates so i did a little research for quotes by socrates. heres one that you might like.</p>
<p>"Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers. "</p>
<p>Now, if you were alive back in the day with the great socrates, would you spit in his face simply because you managed to pick out a kid who just happens to respect his/her teachers? (the answer is YES because you’re the man) . </p>
<p>Perhaps you should rely less on science, and more on common sense.</p>
<p>Memorizing vocab rly isn’t vital…you can get 2 wrong and still get an 800 in CR.</p>
<p>But yeah, 2400 in SAT isn’t something you should necessarily hope for. Shooting for it though, is another story entirely: shoot for the stars so you land on the clouds (heard that from a friend).</p>
<p>Or as Hookem would say “You can’t land on the clouds. Its literally PHYSICALLY impossible” .</p>
<p>My experience is that you’ve just gotta practice, practice, practice.</p>
<p>Also, beware of silly mistakes, esp in math, where one mistake will cost you at least 30 points. In CR, you’ve just gotta be lucky, and I ended up getting 2400 that way. The writing section, you should get 800 in, because it’s pretty straightforward; just learn basic rules of grammar.</p>
<p>jeeez
all you debbie downers
just to prove everyone here wrong who says that it is very unlikley to raise a 1750 to 2000+…
i went from PSAT 167—> 2100 on my SAT
granted I did work to get my score I still did it. and i did it in about 2.5 months too. i didnt work at it for like years.
but in terms of getting into an ivy league school i think it is possible. while my scores probably wont get me into havard or yale i would be in the running at brown(if i liked brown)…ick. haha
or cornell.</p>
<p>The day a 2100 can get you into an Ivy school by itself (without sports and ec’s) is the day I’ll go and take the SAT without any prep.</p>
<p>And we’re not talking about 1750 to 2000+. We’re talking about 1750 to 2400.</p>
<p>look at the average scores for ivies. a 2100 isnt even the bottom 25th percentile at ivies. except for harvard, yale and princeton. all the other ones the bottom 25th is like a 2000something.
so just to put things into perspective…a 2100 alone wont get you into an ivy league school. but a 2400 alone wont either. you have to have some sort of special EC no matter what your scores are.
a score wont get you in to many top 30 schools even without other stuff ot back it up</p>
<p>and just to clear things up…my comment was because people were talking about 1750 to 2000+ earlier.</p>
<p>Okay, you’re right about a 2100 getting you into contention with some Ivy’s. I looked up the stats and apologize for speaking without research.</p>
<p>As for scores, I think a 2400 score could easily get you into schools in the 20 - 30 rank range if your grades are good. Even without EC’s, you could get into the likes of UCLA with a good SAT score and good grades.</p>
<p>I think we’re really digressing from the thread topic though. :D</p>
<p>The pandas. They are going extinct. And all the females are dying first, so we only need to lose half the population.</p>
<p>(Unless we, like, clone one from male DNA, and then, like, change the DNA sot hat its a girl.)</p>
<p>Seriously…its not the current debate I have a problem with, but the overall thread needs to sink into the mists of obscurity that are the double-digit pages.</p>
<p>yet, when this thread is about to die,u post on it. ,a free bump?</p>
<p>ps i did too, lol..</p>
<p>Me too!!!</p>
<p>i think my school’s sat prep has been very helpful for me. they said the sat math is only basic math. what trips people up are the tricks, asking the reverse side of questions(what is NOT, or everything is true EXCEPT) and people tend to miss seeing those words in their panic. Or, they ask for unexpected things, like the area instead the perimeter, or something like that. My advice would be to be familiar with their tricks, keep calm, answer THEIR question, and not make arithmetic mistakes. also, if you read more efficiently on the tiring CR section, you might be as tired for the other sections. i think your current preparation looks really thorough too already! Keep it up! Just don’t get tired on the test… :)</p>
<p>Thanks! Yeah, I’ve created a few new study methods in my quest for the 2400. I’ll let everyone know my secrets after the goal has been obtained.</p>