<p>regarding the asian curse: the logic's simple. if they deserve to go to a good college, they deserve to go to a good college. i've seen too many amazing asian kids getting rejected/defered from top colleges b/c of the oh-you-are-asian-you-needa-do-better-than-that attitude; this is just a vicious circle. i'm chinese and i'm nowhere near rich; and they'll prob. reject me b/c <em>gasp</em> i'm not in school orchestra.</p>
<p>happy new year btw.</p>
<p>lol. I R musically challenged. Sure, I can tinkle a few keys and scratch a few strings with a bow, but ask me to play a piece and I'm a dudder. (I'm a art-person, and I guess a journalism person! I guess I'm rejected from Asian Club?)
I think it's that a lot of Asian kids know how to pump the numbers but can't bring a whole lot of other dishes to the table. Susie (name changed for confidentiality :)), albeit being one of my best friends, is such a model number pumper. Excellent SATs and excellent GPA, but not many spectacular extracurriculars... Not to say all Asians are. But after going to a majority Asian school for 4 years, it's pretty safe to say the mindset of many Asians is "GPA GPA GPA SAT SAT SAT GPA GPA GPA SAT SAT SAT."</p>
<p>New years to you all too. Cheers.</p>
<p>only one of my grandparents went to college....the others did not even graduate high school... they were in the holocaust...however all of my parents and their siblings attended a university...this was because of the values that my grandparents placed and the importance of schooling to them...did my parents get any advantage with college admissions?...who knows but they didnt qualify for affirtimative action even though jews were definately discriminated aginst at all universities not just harvard...however this is besides my true point...affirmative action is a form of racism i believe...it is saying in a way that minorities cannot perform as well on tests and in school so we need to lower our standards to let them in...i believe that is a bad and racist setiment to have...however, i believe economic action which doesnt exist should...</p>
<p>I dont know if this has been said in this thread or not yet, but people should only be given advantages based PURELY on their economic status. A student really only deserves a hand-put if he is driven and smart, but has suffered poor school systems and home-life for 17 years of his/her life. </p>
<p>my school district is very diverse and has a large african-american population. and i live in a pretty well-off community. under no circumstances should these rich african-american kids with the same opportunities as me receive any extra benefits because of the color of their skin.</p>
<p>meanwhile, there are students who have lower GPA, ranks, scores, etc, than me, yet they will still get into an ivy league school over me any day of the week because of the color of their skin, and thats outrageous. theyve had the same eduational opportunities and chances to get involved as i have.</p>
<p>AA is ********.</p>
<p>it should be economics-based.
an inner-city student should rightly have an advantage, because he never has had one over anyone before in his life. these rich kids in the suburbs should be looked at the same way as every other asian, white, etc suburban kid everywhere</p>
<p>hellloooo we wrote the same thing!!!</p>
<p>aiya! being a minority(asian) and not even considered one for the college process really suck BIG nuts.</p>
<p>jvhowube...well said, i completely agree</p>
<p>Hmmm.. asians do have a disadvantage as the bar as set higher for them, but we should try to get away from math club, academics, violin, piano (repeat) and diversify your interests instead of focusing it all on academics, from what I've observed :)</p>
<p>Hahahah yea. That I have to concede. Asians mostly do math club, science club, violin, piano, and then some volunteer thing. Hahahahaha, as I said that, like 20 different Asians from my schools popped simultaneously into my mind.</p>
<p>dxu33, unfortunately I don't think you have the right to say what asians should and shouldn't do. If Asians like to do certain things and excel at them, let us do it then. After all, isn't this a free country? Look at the NBA and college basketball. Would you ever say that the bar should be set higher for African Amercian athletes as opposed to Asian athletes? After all, African American athletes seem to have an advantage in this sport as many of them are encouraged to pursue it (and most are good at it).</p>
<p>Lol, chill foodisgood. It's true that he shouldn't discourage people from doing what they want, but the problem is, some Asians do these things because they think that's what'll get 'em into college. The Korean mothers around my area, I've come to call them the KMN: Koream Mother Network. They all "gossip and discuss" how to get their kids into Ivy Leagues, and their plan of attack is to get their kids into prep for IB entrance exams, prep academies for SAT, get them to join math/science clubs, etc. I know this too well from my own mother pushing me everyday to do piano and violin and math club, and her everday gossip with all the neighborhood ladies about such stuff. Luckily for me, I've learned to develop a good hard thick shell against the stuff she says. ;o At the expense of being called a bad daughter.</p>
<p>well syneria, i understand your point but i believe it is unfair to say that asians are doing something wrong by pursuing these activites. Almost every single African american kid I have encountered in my life has wanted to play basketball. Would it be right for me to tell these kids to "do something else" so that they all don't like they are doing the same thing? You state that many asians pursue academically oriented things to get into good colleges. I completely agree with you. However, keep in mind that many kids who play basketball do it so that they might eventually get into the NBA and strike it rich.</p>
<p>you go foodisgood! we do what we want, and do it damn well!</p>
<p>lol, chill, you guys. I didn't say it's wrong, nor do I have anything against Asians doing science or math or violin or piano. I'm an Asian, I'm going into a science major actually, and I've always wanted to play the violin. If every Asian kid wants to do science/math because its their passion, and every African American kid wants to do basketball, I highly encourage them! It just that experience and observation tells me that sometimes, kids following their racial norms realize later on that it wasn't what they really wanted to do, or they actually had something else they'd rather do.</p>
<p>But my point is, stereotypes have a basis on which they start. Doesn't validate stereotypes, I know, but even myths start out with a small piece of fact.</p>
<p>(I'm half korean and i play violin lol, ironically, i failed pre-cal).
This thread is turning into a stereotypical mindset. We are stereotypiing that blacks/hyspanics are poor and that Asians/Whites have more opportunity. I think AA should be geared towards financial aspects then, instead of race, altho including different cultures in a classroom can be beneficial to learning since they can be primary sources of information for the class.</p>
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regarding the asian curse: the logic's simple. if they deserve to go to a good college, they deserve to go to a good college. i've seen too many amazing asian kids getting rejected/defered from top colleges b/c of the oh-you-are-asian-you-needa-do-better-than-that attitude; this is just a vicious circle. i'm chinese and i'm nowhere near rich; and they'll prob. reject me b/c <em>gasp</em> i'm not in school orchestra.</p>
<p>happy new year btw.
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<p>I love when I hear this, especially from Asians applying to Stanford, UCBerkeley, and elite liberal arts colleges. Despite at those schools, the Asian population pushes upwards from 20% to a staggering 44% of UCBerkeley. Where as, Middlebury and Williams have to recruit and persuade to gain a simple 5-10% African American student body.</p>
<p>There are no shortage of talented Asians in almost all of the elite applicant pools, but note that at schools like Williams, they have to push the acceptance rate of black students to 51% to simply get a same number of blacks as latinos and asians to matriculate.</p>
<p>I'm Asian, yet I hate math, biology, physics, chemistry and every other subject that pertains to numbers.
On the other hand, I love language arts, politics, public/civil issues, law, and history.
I started my own political science club at my school and loved student gov't elections.
My situation seems to drastically contradict from the stereotypes you've talking about, which is weird.</p>
<p>If I was putting together a class of 1000 students, I could create a class of 1000 trumpet players, but that might not be as good as if I had some other instruments as well, so maybe I would look for fewer trumpet players and a greater diversity of instruments to make the music more interesting. Sure I might end up rejecting a really decent trumpet player to make space for a marginally less talented bartone or french horn player. Yes and although a talented musician was left out, the class would be more interesting and everyone would benefit. </p>
<p>Diversity is good for the entire college community.</p>
<p>As a teacher of an extremely ethnically diverse student population, I can assure you that students who come from households where there are no books have a different challenge than those of us who were brought to the libraries by our parents and read to at night. Just because someone didn't break 2000 on the SAT or take AP classes doesn't mean that they aren't smart and that you wouldn't benefit from their viewpoint in a class.</p>
<p>Haha, "diversity". AA is important because, you know, true diversity comes from people who look different.</p>
<p>Semi, to an extent that might be true but to a greater extent the different perspectives people bring to the table. Incidentally, when we are talking about Asians, are we including all the Asian population including the Hmong who have no indigenous written language or mostly middle class Chinese or what? Asia is a big continent. What would some of these campuses look like if accommodations weren't made to be more inclusive? </p>
<p>Should a country consider the upward mobility a college or university provides to its students as part of our description of excellence?</p>