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And you could call it Caltech!</p>
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<a href=“http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/fryer/files/fryer_levittbabiesrevision.pdf[/url]”>http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/fryer/files/fryer_levittbabiesrevision.pdf</a></p>
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<p>Are you implying that Caltech is for rejects? Surely you jest…</p>
<p>All I’m saying is that every other top school uses anti-affirmative action on Asians.</p>
<p>You guys do realize that on college applications you can choose not to identify your race (its a simple way to dodge the discrimination a little)? Still though its pretty messed up how prevalent racism still is in America.</p>
<p>Bianca, when your last name is Wang, Li, Kim, or Patel (as it so often is) this strategy doesn’t help.</p>
<p>Change your last name to “Roberts” and move to Nebraska!</p>
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<p>First, admissions officers are discouraged from guessing if ethnicity is undisclosed.</p>
<p>Second, this problem can easily be solved by legally changing one’s last name. I’m not sure if lockn was being facetious, but he is right.</p>
<p>Three of the four last names you gave as examples can easily be modified to hide ethnicity.</p>
<p>“Wang” means king in Chinese. Just tell a judge that you want to Americanize your last name while preserving the meaning.</p>
<p>“Li” is a dead-ringer for a mainland Chinese person. But, it has the same pronunciation as “Lee,” which is not an Asian-only last name. (Robert E. Lee, anyone?)</p>
<p>“Kim” means gold in Korean. One could change it to gold and give the same reason as “Wang -> King.” Alternatively, one could change it to “King” and claim pronunciation. I’ve met a few Koreans with surname King, and considering how uncommon the surname Wang is in Korea, I’m inclined to believe that their true family name is Kim.</p>
<p>Point is, when there’s a problem, there’s a solution.</p>
<p>South Asians and Arabs are classified as “White” by the US Census bureau and in college admissions, so the Patels don’t need to worry. It’s just the East Asians that have to deal with this problem, not the Brown folks. </p>
<p>Those Asian supremacists who think they’re better cause they score higher on the SAT’s make me laugh…get over yourself, kids. Black students do worse on the SAT regardless of economic class, Upper-class Black students do worse on the SAT than lower-class Asians…are you gonna argue Asians are naturally superior and Blacks are dumb or something? That’s BS. It comes down to cultural values/economic class, and anyone who thinks the SAT is an assessment of intelligence is an idiot.</p>
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<p>How old are you? South Asians haven’t been classified as “white” since 1970. ([url=<a href=“http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0076/twps0076.html]Source”>http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0076/twps0076.html]Source</a>, sixth footnote[/ulr]). The 2000 U.S. Census clearly defines South Asians as Asians:</p>
<p>*Asian. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam. It includes “Asian Indian,” “Chinese,” “Filipino,” “Korean,” “Japanese,” “Vietnamese,” and “Other Asian” <a href=“emphasis%20mine,%20%5Burl=http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68178.htm]Source[/url]”>/i</a></p>
<p>So, no, “Brown folks” are not exempt from this problem. And I hope you don’t believe “Indians are not Asians.”</p>
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<p>Can you list some of these Asian supremacists? Or are you just straw manning?</p>
<p>Fabrizio - well according to [NationMaster</a> - Encyclopedia: Middle Eastern Americans](<a href=“Global Industry Market Sizing - NationMaster”>Global Industry Market Sizing - NationMaster) and [The</a> Guardian - Middle Eastern Students Seek Own Category on UC Apps](<a href=“http://www.ucsdguardian.org/news/middle-eastern-students-seek-own-category-on-uc-apps-1.1651322]The”>http://www.ucsdguardian.org/news/middle-eastern-students-seek-own-category-on-uc-apps-1.1651322) they’re still being classified as White by many colleges. And as a South Asian, I distinguish between my ethnic group and East Asians. We’re technically considered caucasoids not mongoloids which is why we get lumped into the “white” category I suppose. As far as I know, the anti-AA policies discriminate against East Asians and not Arabs. </p>
<p>If you think I’m going to go through 50 pages of posts and pick every Asian kid who made a borderline racist comment, you’re nuts. I read maybe 7 pages of this thread and found several, like this from the previous page:
THat’s the kind of person who my comment was addressed to. And as an Asian-American, I’ve heard many of my peers in real life make terrible comments about Asian supremacy based on laughable crap like SAT scores, and it’s disgusting. It bothers me more than white supremacy since my own race is doing it.</p>
<p>stargazerlilies,</p>
<p>I stand by you in denouncing the tone of that comment.</p>
<p>Does “they” refer to Middle Easterners or South Asians? The two links you provide obviously relate to Middle Easterners, but I did not say anything about Middle Easterners in my post #729, where I provided two U.S. governmental sources that directly refuted your claim that South Asians are classified as “whites.”</p>
<p>I don’t think I need to remind you that there are some very, very, very, very, very dark-skinned people in southern Indian states like Kerala and Tamil Nadu. It’s really not uncommon to find Indians with darker skin than blacks. Can you say that these Indians are “white” and still keep a straight face?</p>
<p>“but remember all the bad things that come with being one of those two ethnicities.”</p>
<p>Like what? Just curious…</p>
<p>Only in America is being smart considered a bad thing. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>I guess I can’t say I’m surprised, given that this country elected a trust fund baby with the intelligence of a ■■■■■■■■ monkey…twice.</p>
<p>I’m Asian and I’m totally fine with AA. In fact, I think it’s necessary for keeping that “racial balance.” But I do resent how the article justifies AA by claiming that Asians lack favorable personal traits or that they are quiet and shy… That’s not why AA is practiced. Sure, it’s natural for colleges to reject those who don’t have “personal traits” or are “quiet and shy” but these aren’t exclusive to Asians - in fact I have NEVER heard of those as being stereotypes for Asians. I’ll take “hardworking,” “high SATs”, “pressure from Asian parents” (though this is hardly true in most cases) as stereotypes for Asians - but quiet/shy/unfavorable personal traits? No.</p>
<p>i am south asian (indian) and i classify myself as asian, not white.</p>
<p>also, just because a huge chunk of us asians fit this stereotype, keep in mind that not all of us are like this. i actually have quite laid-back parents. they do place an emphasis on grades, but they did not place an insane amount of pressure on me or anything.</p>
<p>i studied philosophy and environmental sciences in college. not much math/hard sciences there. </p>
<p>my friends call me a character. i have people skills. i am not super shy. although i am hard-working.</p>
<p>my input:</p>
<p>colleges are seeking to create seemingly diverse environments, but for who? i haven’t read through this huge thread, but before people try to deride affirmative action for blacks and latinos because asians are “disadvantaged,” remember this: whiteness is normalized in our institutions and societies. i feel as if diversity is meant only to benefit whites, because when you look at the other side, true diversity is not really present. asian people are being classified and grouped against a white standard, and i find it hilarious when the people being adversely affected by this will blame other minority groups. im sure your supposedly generic character wouldn’t be called so much into question if you checked caucasian on the form. </p>
<p>you can say you’d have more of an “advantage” if you were black/latino, but just as asians suffer against whiteness being normalized, other “minority” groups do as well. tell me: when are WE going to college for diversity?</p>
<p>even though it may seem as if my post is tangential, it has a lot of relevance to the topic at hand.</p>
<p>I think we should be proud of ourselves that we are good at math and science.
I don’t understand what is wrong with hard-working. Because we don’t have the environment to learn English, our English grades may be not excellent! But we will get through it some day! I hate these quotas on Asians!!!</p>
<p>I chuckle at “whiteness”.</p>
<p>Thank you for this article. It was an enjoyable read.</p>
<p>I consider myself neither “Asian” nor “white.”
I am an American.</p>
<p>Quotas of any kind [affirmative action too >.>] aren’t fair, and are pretty much wrong.
It’s sad if you’re ashamed of your race. Be proud of whatever you are, just don’t impose on others or be imposed by others.</p>
<p>Personally, I like the quiet/studious persona [Oriental] Asians have, they’re generally good friends to me, once you open them up. I’m Pakistani, and pretty similar.</p>