<p>sevmom…you are totally right. My son will do fine. The problem in my eyes is that certain sectors of society are virtually closed to people who do not have the Ivy credential. And there is so much subjectivity in the attainment of that credential that it is doing genuine damage to our banking/investment and bureaucratic systems of government.</p>
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<p>Scratch W+M, too. It (merit aid) ain’t happening there either. And be careful. If he needs a lot of merit , U of Miami has been pretty strict in the past.</p>
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<p>we spend half that amount and my wife is a health nut…lots of fresh fruits and veggies…and lots of steak for me…plenty of lobsters in the summer lol</p>
<p>Public Ivy is a term that has wide acceptance to us “commoners”, jym. You know, we little people who graduated on the Dean’s List from professional schools at State U. We’re just not as smart as you “smart” people. We definitely need your help in splaining things. Thanks.</p>
<p>Apologies debrockman-- didn’t realize this was your first round with the college admissions process. Perhaps we are being too harsh. </p>
<p>I am curious-- what sectors of society do you feel are closed to those without Ivy degrees? Are you talking wall street or I banking? WHile there is a bit of the “old guard” network, it really isnt a closed system, IMO.</p>
<p>** well, we cross posted. I had apologized for being too harsh. But seriously-- the notion of a public Ivy is just that, and most people not dealing with college admissions would probably think you are talking about a park or something.</p>
<p>W&M is probably out. True. But one can dream. It’s on the stretch list. With Vandy. Everyone deserves a stretch. And Grandpa would help with some of it. 50 is not doable. 40 could be with a few loans and a wonderful Grandpa.</p>
<p>There is more than a “little” bit of the closed system to Investment Banking. You’re kidding yourself. Many of their own websites acknowledge that fact.</p>
<p>I just checked. The automatic scholarship at Miami are gone. In 2006, when they were (almost ) automatic, it took a 1500 CR+M and top 1% rank for consideration for a Singer (their top award at full-tuition).</p>
<p>W+M is a great school but it didn’t make my D’s list because there are very, very few merit awards (and , as middle class 'tweeners, we were on the Great Merit Aid Hunt). Vandy is a better choice than W+M as the merit program is much broader.</p>
<p>BTW, if @ half-tuition gets it done (brings it down to about $30K/yr) he’s got a decent shot at some good schools. You can p.m. me for suggestions.</p>
<p>The price of lobster dropped this year, geeps. that must explain the difference ;)</p>
<p>Well de, I’ll be sure to tell that to my friends kids who didnt go to school in the NE but are in Ibanking. In fact-- funny you should mention-- one went to Vandy. It is not an Ivy or a public Ivy. Maybe you like that term “southern ivy”. People use it for schools like Duke, Vandy, Tulane, Emory to name a few. Again-- just a concept- we get it, but it doesnt really mean anything.</p>
<p>Curmudgeon, we just visited Miami. You are not correct. They have very specific criteria for an automatic 10,000 discount, which my son does, in fact, meet.
[William</a> & Mary - About](<a href=“http://www.wm.edu/about/index.php]William”>About W&M | William & Mary)
Interesting how W&M calls themselves a Public Ivy. They are outstanding and TRULY affordable to anyone.</p>
<p>From the Miami website:
30 or higher ACT composite
(or 1330 or higher SAT CR+M)
and
3.70 or above GPA on 4.0 scale
Award $9,000</p>
<p>^^ Are you talking U Miami or Miami of OH?</p>
<p>9K is enough? I thought you were seeking much more than that.</p>
<p>Good point, jym. We may be talking about 2 different schools. 
I mentioned U of, he may have been talking about Miami U.</p>
<p>There are a few southern schools outside the Ivies that sometimes are deemed worthy of “affirmative action” from the IBs. They always like to invite a few of those cute people with those sweet southern accents.</p>
<p>9k will work at Miami. Their base price is not 50k to begin with.</p>
<p>Debrockman,you appear to be saying that MIT, unlike Harvard, does go after the best. What drove that conclusion? Are their criteria any less vague than the “whole student” approach Harvard uses? </p>
<p>Also, how do factor into your anti-Ivy views the role of Ivy grad and profesisonal schools vs. colleges? For example, when I was at Yale Law, the 500 kids in the school came from over 160 colleges–they were essentially the top ids from lesser known schools you said were doomed because of their of Ivy pedigree–and I met or heard of only 1 kid in my 3 years whose parents my parents had heard of. Do the kids from the 152 non-Ivy colleges represented get your non-Ivy seal of approval or do they get your Ivy curse?</p>
<p>And how about the hundreds of Ivy college kids who do not get into Ivy law, business, med or other grad schools–does that absolve them of elitism?</p>
<p>It is officially Miami University.</p>
<p>Well. That changes things. ;)</p>
<p>I actually see grad school admission as less political…largely because a lot of strong students are working and do not want to travel across the country to go to an Ivy League school. And if you are getting accepted to professional school, the big loan is worth it…versus the big loan for an undergraduate degree in Business. Grad school admissions (I worked in grad school admissions) are very numbers driven. You have a pool of candidates…everyone is considered on a level playing field, because they theoretically have completed an approved program…and then they merge grades and admissions exams and basically choose a class. I worked in admissions for one of the largest medical schools in the country. Very very few corners cut. They bend a few corners for affirmative action, but it is a very small portion of the class.</p>