<p>daughter was denied the coll prep scholarship for the summer. of course, we do nt know why. so does this mean that likely will be denied again? </p>
<p>$30k a yr; home worth 250k w/ 104k mortgage;20k svings; /28/3-314, 4.8/4.0 w-unw, 8 APs,most rigorous, suburban chi publ school, great ECs, not poor/academic enough?
note- ACT now = 30.</p>
<p>the counselor sent us the qb brochure. d is seeing the amt of work for qb and is wondering if she'll be wasting her time. some schools such as NU and Wes, oberlin, maybe Vassar and Amherst, she 'll probably apply to regardless (anyway) - so for this reason , might it be a good idea to do QB?</p>
<p>we also wonder about telegraphing our lack of means is a bad idea to need sensitive/aware schools such as oberlin and Wes (eg). In the past (when I considered this for another child, but ended up not doing it - no support at the school) I was told that QB is a fine feather in your app's cap, and would outweigh the anti - selection bias from neediness. </p>
<p>But here is the rub , and back to the question posed here- if you apply to these schools in a qb grp of apps and lose - do not get selected for match nor finalist - when the app comes 'round again either thru ED-RD, they' ll know you are poor.</p>
<p>You can’t apply to most of the schools through QB unless you become a finalist so they would never know. It is possible that the home value and savings made it so that your financials were on the high end for QB. Other then that it is impossible to know, perhaps her essays were not as strong as she thought they were? Anyway if she wants to put in the time it will give her some great essays and practice for other apps, but it is up to her as to if she wants to put in that much time (I know I have probably spent 15 hours on the app at this point and still have more to do).</p>
<p>"You can’t apply to most of the schools through QB unless you become a finalist so they would never know. "</p>
<p>This educates me significantly. It was my understanding that when one applied to qb by 9-27, the app wd go to the schools and wd be judged by the schools, but what you are saying is that the 9-27 qb app is for qb, and not for Wes (eg).</p>
<p>so qb app 9-27 is for qb</p>
<p>next</p>
<p>finalist list goes to the schools.</p>
<p>If not finalist, schools do not see it.</p>
<p>artsy said some schools do not see the app. which schools ?</p>
Applicant finds out in late October whether or not they are finalist
If the applicant is a finalist they can do one of two things
a) Rank up to 8 schools, if they rank only those schools see their app
b) Don’t rank any schools, do ED/EA else where and/or participate in RD
At this point the only way that QB schools would have seen the application is if the applicant had ranked them</p>
<p>If an applicant does not become a finalist some QB partner schools will allow the applicant to forward their QB app in place of the traditional app, but most will not allow this for non-finalists. They have no way of knowing that the person even applied for QB unless they forward the application. If an applicant does become a finalist and does not match and/or does not rank then they can forward their QB app to as many or few partner schools as they want, again they have complete control over which schools will see the app.</p>
<p>The only people that see your app when you submit it is people at QB. If the applicant choses to forward the app is when other schools start to see it. Let me know if you have any more questions…</p>
<p>in between the 1st two bullets is another unstated part which I will state since I am an ignoramus on this (and many other things)</p>
<p>-QB (whoever that is, but it is NOT the schools ) reviews the apps , rendering for each app, a ‘Finalist’ designation or rejection in toto.</p>
<p>QB at this phase of the process is simply judging whether each app is QB-worthy - meaning a high academic achieving under low income/financial hardship and that would fit SOMEwhere in the partner schools.</p>
<p>If you are not a finalist, I assume that the applicant would have total control on whether the qb app would proceed to a partner school that allows this ? </p>
<p>But you said most do not allow this anyway. IS there a list in one place that tells the schools that do or do not allow non finalists to forward (failed) QB apps or wd we have to go through each of the partner schools custom pages?</p>
<p>thanks, artsy, for the info. It might be 'out there ’ - I have seen the flow chart - but I was not able to fully ‘get it’.</p>
<p>You just go on the QB website, go to the partner college section, click on a school you are interested in and then click the “app requierments” tab. You have to check for each school individually… But I was bored, so here is a list…
<p>OP,my D is in same position as yours. She did get CPS but still has to decide about QB NCM (the match process). Here is our thinking right now:
the application is long and requires more thinking/writing but it is also giving her this early deadline so if she ends up applying through the RD (or 2nd ED) round she will have most of her work done already and with plenty of time for revisions.
If she is a finalist, matched or not, that is a national award and looks great on the application. The selective colleges are all seeking to increase lower income students on campus.QB does some of their work for them, and provides a pool of preselected candidates. I heard from one AdCom that the QB students have been uniformly successful at their school and they trust the QB “filter”
If she is not a finalist and applies RD, no school will know her financial situation unless she reveals it or they are a needs aware school. And again, she will have a super head start on her application – you can basically cut and paste from QB to the Common App.</p>
<p>We did deliberate over this all spring and this summer, trying to see if there was a down side to being identified as a low income student, and our conclusion is QB can only help in the process.</p>
<p>The other thing to remember is that most students don’t get matched, and many many QB applicants who aren’t even finalist get into QB schools during the RD period.
I agree with ArtsyGirl that your D should craft her essays carefully, and make sure she has people read them and give her feedback. People who know what they are talking about! My D wrote an essay for Wellesley fly-in and was rejected. Then she re-wrote and was accepted to Williams (WOW). Looking at her essays I can see why, and that was the only difference on the applications. She worked pretty hard on her CPS essay and was still surprised to have gotten in – she did have a 34 on ACT but many successful QB students don’t have high scores. Your daughter’s stats look very competitive – sometimes there is no really good explanation for acceptance/rejection except that this whole process is conducted by imperfect human beings. IMHO she should definitely do the QB app and go through their process…
either way good luck to you and your D!</p>