if english is your second language

<p>will you do better on the ACT or SAT?</p>

<p>It depends on how proficient in English you are. </p>

<p>English is my second language, and I tend to have issues with the grammar and idiom questions since I'm used to thinking in completely different syntax as well as in English. </p>

<p>Up until this year of the changeover, SAT would probably have been easier since the ACT had a required grammar section. However, since both tests have a grammar component, they are more or less equivalent. </p>

<p>A note of caution: The SAT has a lovely penchant for direct emphasis of vocabulary. If your primary language is not a romance language or european language, I would shy away from the SAT since those languages tend to share common roots with the vocabulary tested. In such cases of weaker vocabulary, I would go for the ACT.</p>

<p>just take both tests. For the ACT you can choose not to send your scores until you get to see them. Thats really cool...</p>

<p>I came over from Colombia four years ago, and my biggest problem was/kind of still is, reading at the pace that most high scorers do. I can read a passage once in Spanish, understand it, analyze it, everything, but in English I sometimes get thrown off for some reason... and I cant read while at the same time understand everything at the same speed as i can in Spanish... thats my problem with the verbal, I knwo that with enought time I would get around a 750 (in my only sitting I scored a 750)</p>

<p>anyways, i digress... Try taking both test, I will be taking ACT in September and retaking SAT October, lets hope everything goes right.</p>

<p>i think that if english was ur second lang. it is an disvantage especially if ur first lanuage is for example chinese. trust me i know this from personal experience</p>

<p>p.s. hey Fay 1216 where are u from?</p>

<p>If english is your second language, but you do kind of well on English ( compared with other ESL learners), will you even bother to take TOFEL? My counselor told me just forget about the TOFEL since colleges don't really care. Is that's true????</p>

<p>cawaiigirl, TOEFL is required by some schools -- others waive the requirement if you attended an American high school for all four years. </p>

<p>Fay1216, I think that ACT is easier for people whose first language is not English (it was for me) -- SAT is very much vocabulary
based = difficult for me to get a good score, and even when I studied the hard words for the test I realized that i did not know some of the basic ones. ACT is multiple choice and it is more concerned with grammar and sentence structure = easier to study for ACT.</p>

<p>jdevalle, the reading section sucks indeed...</p>

<p>~ SS</p>

<p>"even when I studied the hard words for the test I realized that i did not know some of the basic ones"</p>

<p>That's my problem too!!!! Sometimes I suprise my friends that I don't know some basic words but some really long and hards ones. I think that's also the problem of most SAT prep books that they all assume English is reader's first language and have certain experiences as native English speakers.</p>

<p>yeah, thats funny. Thats happened to me a few times too.</p>

<p>English is my third language, but I got a 740CR/720W the first time I took the SAT. Do I still have to take the TOEFL? I think it's pretty evident that yes, I do speak English. ;)</p>

<p>thisyeargirl, I don't think that you would have to take the TOEFL.
The two schools that required me to take TOEFL said that they don't require TOEFL scores for those who took SAT -- but they do for those who took the ACT.<br>
TOEFL requirement also depends on schools -- there might be some silly school out there that will require you to submit TOEFL. If there is one -- let me know what school it is :) !</p>

<p>~SS</p>

<p>wait a minute! How can you tell what language is your "third" language? by the order of leaning them or you actually use your second language to learn your third one? By the way, I always think I have a lot of second languages but never third or fifth languages.</p>