<p>Eeek NYU doesn't even come close.</p>
<p>Seriously, while you're adding NYU you might as well add BU there too.</p>
<p>Add northeastern too.</p>
<p>par72 - </p>
<p>HolyCross is a great school in the northeast on the rise with a 41% rise in applications. It should be in the Ivy League also.</p>
<p>To the "requirements" of an ivy league a page back...</p>
<p>"needs to have a liberal arts core." brown is an ivy league and does not have any core requirements. the ivy leagues were started as an athletic conference between schools in new england/mid-atlantic that all had seperate women's colleges. that's it and people blow it way out of proportion (oh excuse me, U.S. News and World Report does) when in reality you could go to a community college and get a better education than at Harvard if you have the drive. College is what you make of it.</p>
<p>Sure you can be president without a college degree too. It just helps out your odds alot.</p>
<p>If the Ivy League were to add 2523 colleges, which one would they leave out?</p>
<p>Stanford and MIT</p>
<p>theyd leave out.......liberty.</p>
<p>One way to address this question would be to identify the schools that compete most successfully with the Ivies for students. So I looked up each Ivy in the 2005 Princeton Review guide (I didnt have the 2006 edition). It lists the schools that are often, sometimes, or rarely preferred by cross-admits. The non-Ivies that were most often listed as preferred, relative to the Ivies, were:</p>
<p>Stanford (listed as a competitor by all 8 Ivies)
Williams (6)
MIT (6)
Northwestern (5)
Amherst (5)
Georgetown (4)
Duke (3)</p>
<p>So these might be the strongest candidates. Realistically, though, I don't think that the Ivy League is currently soliciting new members.</p>
<p>They'd probably leave out MIT...can't stand the competition.</p>
<p>The 2 schools that mirror the Ivies in academics, alumni placement, prestige, and athletic programs are Duke and Stanford. Some would suggest that Duke and Stanford offer more than the non-HYP Iviies. In reality from an athletic competition perspective, the 2 schools yhat have played the Ivies in the major sports of football, basketball, baseball, hockey and even the olympic sports(lacrosse, field hockey) are Holy Cross and Colgate. For well over 100 years, HC and Colgate have a strong athletic relationship with the Ivy League and continues today with Holy Cross playing Harvard, Dartmouth, Yale and Brown most years while Colgate has big rivalry with Cornell and Princeton.</p>
<p>Par is actually right...those two play the Ivies quite often.</p>
<p>The schools within the Ivy League, of course, are old (all but Cornell were founded in Colonial days). But the "Ivy League" itself is relatively young; it was not organized until 1945. </p>
<p>This Daily Dartmouth story indicates that Colgate was initially interested in joining the Ivy League back in the 1940s. But Colgate dropped out before the agreement was finalized. </p>
<p>The story also points out that Dartmouth could have gone a different route; it initially competed with liberal arts colleges (today's NESCACs), more than with today's Ivy Universities. In the 19th Century, Dartmouth formed the "Triangular League" with Williams and Amherst. The "Little Three" was formed after Dartmouth left and was replaced by Wesleyan.</p>
<p>i find it hard to believe that NU beats out Duke in cross-admit battles, i highly doubt that is true</p>
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Alexandre: "Ivies must be located in the Northeast and have a liberal arts core. I think the only two universities that can be added to the Ivies are Georgetown and Johns Hopkins. MIT is too technical, Tufts and BC aren't prestigious enough, UVA is public, Duke, Rice, Stanford, Chicago and Northwestern are not in the Northeast. Caltech is too technical. Cal and Michigan are publics. LACs just aren't large enough to be Ivies. Yeah, I'd say that Georgetown and Johns Hopkins are the only 2 realistic options."
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<p>In my opinion, the only reason UVa didn't become an Ivy is because of Jefferson's wishes for the university to be a public institution. Today, UVa is public technically, but has much more autonomy than other state universities.
Wikipedia: "In 2004, the University of Virginia became the first public university in the United States to receive more of its funding from private sources than from the state with which it is associated. Thanks to a Charter initiative that recently passed the Virginia legislature, the University will have greater autonomy over its own affairs."</p>
<p>Still, the university feels more like an Ivy IMO than any other colleges that have been mentioned maybe tied with Johns Hopkins).</p>
<p>At least three northeastern schools had the chance to "join" the Ivies through mergers, but declined the opportunity. </p>
<ul>
<li><p>Rutgers (then known as Queen's College) almost merged with Princeton (then known as the College of New Jersey) in 1793. A merger resolution failed by one vote among the Board of Trustees. </p></li>
<li><p>MIT was nearly merged with Harvard in 1905. But MIT alumni voted overwhelmingly against the idea.</p></li>
<li><p>Vassar (then a women's college) declined an offer to merge with Yale in 1969. Vassar became an independent coed school instead.</p></li>
</ul>
<p>Wow, Corbett. Thanks for the info, and I'm really, really glad MIT didn't choose to merge with Harvard! :)</p>
<p>Stanford and Duke. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Stanford? It's on the West Coast. We're not talking about.. what schools are reputable well-rounded schools. An Ivy League school on the west coast is not practical. This is an athletic conference after all.</p>
<p>Of all the requirements being evaluated here (location, prestige, size, athletic prowess, etc.) it seems like the most irrelevant is the non-sectarian/religion-based/public-supported aspect of the colleges. I mean almost all the Ivies were religious at one point (until the enlightened thought it would be cute to throw God under the bus); and even now part of Cornell is partially public. So the religious/public precedent is there.</p>
<p>And for God's sake, it's an athletic conference, not a blood oath. So it's not like if they took Brandeis into the fold that the entire Yale administration would have to line up for a gang-circimcision; or if they allowed Georgetown into the inner sanctum that the Brown faculty would have to assemble on the 50-yard line and lick Papal-blessed Italian olives out of Teddy Kennedy's navel at the homecoming game. I think Princeton is secure enough in its private non-sectarian status that it could play a home game against William & Mary's lacrosse team without having to re-sod the playing field afterward to get rid of the public-school stench. </p>
<p>When I started this thread, I did so to provide those awaiting the thick/thin envelope agony a little diversion. But it's become a sort of litmus test on self-image. Just think at all the fun they're having in New Haven and Hanover watching us slobs fight over which of our alma maters might be worthy of having a member of Columbia's junior varsity wrestling team take a dump in our visitors' locker room. Come on guys, we're better than this. And I'll be perfectly happy if none of my kids ever goes to an Ivy League school. Except maybe Dartmouth, which is SO cool...</p>