<p>Thanks. I did not remember that and retract my statement.</p>
<p>With all the issues in the news about ethics.....the issue presented here in this thread is a classic example of how someone wants this to be GREY but it is actually BLACK and WHITE. There are no excuses. If an 18 year old kid hasn't learned right from wrong, this threshold is one more choice they can make that sets them on an honorable path in life. One may not get caught now....but this bad decision can lead to other bad decisions and the ultimate price paid can be really nasty. </p>
<p>I have a mirror I picked up several years ago at a Hallmark store.....with an inscription on it from Maya Angelou.....I love it.....and it is always inspirational to me. It reads:</p>
<p>"What I represent, every time I set out to achieve something, is MYSELF."</p>
<p>There in that mirror is myself...... we can only be our very best self..... every day and all day...... I have another one where I ski...... and it says:</p>
<p>"Objects in the mirror are better than they appear." This advice always makes me laugh and gives me confidence to tackle a tough hill....... both mirrors serve to remind me that I own my choices. I own my attitude. No one else can be me.....so I have to be the best me.</p>
<p>If someone has made this mistake/violation and got accepted to both the universities, I think he/she should notify both the schools before they find it out by themselves. That's the best thing that can be done after the incident.</p>
<p>Since ethics have been brought up, let me throw out a "hypothetical" situation. Let's say for example you are from a state that admits 2- 4 students per year and you are one of two students from your school applying. Student 1, outstanding ec's, the most rigorous schedule, lower gpa because of penalty for missing class due to ec's, decent AP and standardized testing. Student 2, one outstanding ec, easy schedule, fine gpa, standardized testing (not sure), wealthy family, well respected alum rec. Student 2, "hypothetically" also includes in app President of student government, editor of paper, and several other outstanding positions (none of which are the truth). Student 1 denied, Student 2 deferred. Now this is all "hypothetical", I am just curious of what others may think. Could Student 1 have been impacted by the outstanding application of Student 2 in this "hypothetical" situation?</p>
<p>What evidence do you have that these schools may have linked decision data bases?</p>
<p>Testimony of a poster about this topic:</p>
<p>BBCLC: Here's a quote from Adofficer, a college representative who posts in his/her official capacity on CC:</p>
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If you apply ED, you sign an early decision agreement, which is, essentially, a contract. No school would take legal action against you if you broke it - that's just absurd. However, schools do send out lists of their ED acceptances to peer institutions - schools they usually share applicants with. NESCAC does it, I <em>believe</em> the Ivies do it. Many LACs do it. If you are admitted ED somewhere and do not withdraw your <em>completed</em> application from other places, you could risk getting decisions from all schools rescinded.
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<p>Adofficer's statement was on a thread dealing with a student who collected several RD decisions after getting an ED acceptance. I would think, however, what Adofficer said applies equally to SCEA acceptances. Like an ED applicant, a student who applies SCEA to Yale agrees in writing not to submit concurrent EA, ED, or SCEA applications.</p>
<p>Re post 26: If colleges wait until the spring to share EA acceptance lists, that puts a violator in an incredible bind. It's June, and he/she finds all acceptances revoked. Wow.</p>
<p>So, the colleges can clobber you all they want if they find out, but if they don't find out, then nothing can really be done.</p>
<p>^^Well sure. Whenever wrongdoing isn't uncovered it isn't punished. It's the same with crimes. If the cops don't know a crime was committed, they don't take any action.</p>
<p>If Yale doesn't know you lied abut SCEA, they won't punish you either.</p>
<p>See, what I don't get is why it's Single Choice. Logically that shows some commitment, interest, thus higher chances. But then they state outright that the chances are the same as RD chances, which negates the point of making it SC in the first place. Why not make it pure EA if it is indeed just a way to get an "early" decision on an applicant?</p>
<p>They are, in a sense, "respecting" your commitment by giving your decision early. If Yale is really your first choice and you get accepted, then you will have tension free eight or nine months before you actually join Yale. Also, it saves you some money, and eliminates a lot of stress as you don't need to apply to and wait for the decisions of other institutions. In my opinion, Yale, by making it restrictive early action, wants to ensure that they evaluate the applications of those students for whom Yale is clearly the first choice. It's all good, I think.</p>
<p>Do the ivies share lists of those who apply/are accepted EA? Would Yale notify other ivies who their admitted SCEA students are? Cause this might cause the other schools to not admit those admitted EA to Yale. And since Yale is non-binding (not ED) it wouldn't seem fair for that info to be shared with other schools.</p>
<p>^ I am of course refering to Yale sharing SCEA admits with other ivies that do not have ED - where there is only RD.</p>
<p>^ The Ivy League is not a bloc of schools as many believe they are... The League is just a sporting association, while the institutions themselves are in active competition amongst themselves especially when their yield is on the line. Many are actually fierce rivals in the admissions game...</p>
<p>I doubt they would share lists.</p>
<p>They're fiercer rivals now than they used to be. There used to be an Ivy League-wide policy that financial aid offers had to be run through a central clearinghouse, so that no college offered any more financial aid to a student than any other college. The U.S. Department of Justice made them shut that down as an antitrust violation.</p>
<p>I would be surprised if they don't share ED acceptance lists, to ensure that students accepted ED at one school remember to withdraw their applications to other schools. (Nonetheless, every year there seems to be one or two people who "forget" to withdraw their application to Harvard, and then try to get out of their ED contract. So the system isn't perfect.) I am also sure they don't share EA acceptance lists, for precisely the reason you give.</p>
<p>There really isn't any easy way to enforce the SCEA limitation. Everyone would have to share their SCEA/EA/ED applicant lists, which are of course much more extensive than the list of students actually accepted. That's why, if it happens at all, it may happen in late spring/early summer rather than in real time.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/education/edlife/strategy.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/education/edlife/strategy.html</a> </p>
<p>Many colleges rescind acceptances if they discover bad faith. “If we find that you lied to us and applied to our regular action process holding an admission from an early binding place,” says Marlyn McGrath Lewis, admissions director at Harvard, “we would either not admit you or we would withdraw our offer.”</p>
<p>So you are better than what you thought, unfortunately in this case? You expected you were accepted by only one of these highly selective schools!</p>
<p>I guess there are more who are lucky enough to be accepted by one and won't be checked by accepted lists, then. Odds seem to be better for cheaters.</p>
<p>While MIT's policy is not Single Choice, Yale's EA policy is. Although you might not be breaking the rules of the application at MIT, you would be doing so at Yale, giving them the right to rescind your acceptance. MIT, on the other hand, could do so as well, simply because you broke a contract with another school. As tempting as it might be to try and slide and through the system, don't do it. It's just not worth risking your chance at a great school. Plus, it doesn't mean you can't try for acceptance into both schools. Choose one to which you will apply EA and apply RD at the other one. Best of luck :)</p>
<p>I think I need to repeat this, because some people are missing it. I didn't apply to either MIT or Yale. I applied Early Action to Georgetown and UChicago.</p>
<p>I do have an anecdote about a kid who applied to Brown ED and got accepted by some other schools come april... and was rescinded by Brown, but I think the GC managed to silence it up and have Brown not tell all of his other schools. </p>
<p>But that was word of mouth and not Yale SCEA, so thats really irrelevant i suppose</p>
<p>I doubt they share applicant lists. But I could design a program that could instantly analyze two 5000 people lists and get common names in 20 minutes, which means that MIT probably would have something that IF they shared lists, would get any double ED/REAers busted. But since MIT is EA, not R, I think they might just say that double applying is not their problem and not worry about intelligence - if Yale ASKS them for a list or something, I'm sure they would give and cooperate against you, but i dont think MIT and Yale and all other top early thingys like Stanford are all in this collaboration-list sharing harmony thing. But I could be wrong. </p>
<p>Now, sharing ACCEPTANCE lists... Yale and Stanford, say, might to that on december 15th. And if they have a mutual name... game over. </p>
<p>I think that when people get busted for this stuff, its because of word of mouth, or they slip up and do something that prompts further investigation and X leads to Y and then Yale sees something egregious. Or a teacher accidentally says "and that is why I reccomend XY for Stanford..." and sends that to Yale, and then Yale officer drops an email to stanford office. People get caught doing this because of chance or bad luck - not because Yale is actively doing something that monitors whether or not students are doing this. </p>
<p>That being said, I hope anyone who does this is caught and blacklisted.</p>