<p>Game on…:D</p>
<p>“Geniuses born out of hardwork”
rofl
there’s no genius workout or a “guranteed way to become genius in 20 days”.
Whoever came up with this, is for sure a sleepless insomniac who spends way too much time surfing teleshopping advertisements(about enhancing ur brains activity …and blah blah blah) ,out of boredom.</p>
<p>No one can become a genius thats the truth.</p>
<p>I said genius of hard work not borne out of. And im sorry, while you may not be an absolute genius from hard work alone, with lots of effort, one who is moderately talented can develop an intuition well enough to be considered very gifted. No one said it happens in 20 days, I have no idea where you got that impression from that I would mean that. </p>
<p>But being born a genius is overrated. Overrated by the people who are too lazy to try harder and blame fate for their incompetence. And why are US applicants more intellectually mature? I think most US applicants are just looking for an easy way out. The IITs are very hard to get into and require years of preparation while the US just needs some last minute essays. There are people who go to US colleges for a more holistic and disparate cultural experience but I think those are still in the minority.</p>
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:eek: You captured the essence of what I strongly believe in, in 1 short sentence.</p>
<p>^U believe that, how can any1 believe that!!!
It may sound harsh but if someone is not born a genius, he never will metamorphose into one.
Effort can fetch u a lot but not genius, for example a workaholic with just an average 120 IQ can never ever become a theoretical physicist , I am not saying being born with an average IQ is the end of the world but one seriously needs to pursue only what his intellect permits him to.</p>
<p>I am sorry you have such a fatalistic attitude towards life. With an attitude like that, I guarantee you will be retarding your own progress. That statement about IQ is nonsense. Yes theoretical physics requires a lot of intuition, but if you know anything about the kind of theoretical physics that actually happens, no one is born with that kind of intuition. It has to be developed. I concede that some take better to that intuition than others, but that does not mean that the only way to be a good physicist is to be born a genius. I feel bad that you are so fatalistic and I hope you’d learn to be more optimistic because with this kind of attitude you wont get very far.</p>
<p>I was not stressing on 120 being average IQ but an guy with an average IQ cannot poosibly have great Spatial Reasoning skills or other skills required in fields specifically like theoretical physics.
There are sections of intellect that at times limit us ,and it is the truth -“The ugly truth”</p>
<p>IIT students will probably be more intellectually mature as they know how to plant their bottoms on a seat and work those bottoms off for a goal that they know they have to achieve.</p>
<p>But to consider their intellects as better than US counterparts is wrong. Ever hear of super thirty? This proves that it is practice, and not intellect ( at least not beyond a certain minimum level).</p>
<p>To be honest, it’s not a fatalistic attitude. You’re just being pragmatic. Of course, different people have different rates of developing intuition but that doesn’t stop them from working continuously to be considered smart.</p>
<p>Mechrockz, I believe what mysticgohan is talking about is the long-run (think economics) and persistence.</p>
<p>A fatalistic attitude is where one attributes one’s current situation due to fate and believes that nothing he does can alter it. It certainly is fatalistic to believe that if you’re not born a genius you can’t be a theoretical physicist. Even so, you need to work very hard to even recognize you’re a genius. Isaac Newton was a genius beyond many and yet he worked 20 hours a day to realize his potential. People constantly told Einstein he was slow, but he didn’t take that to be the truth and studied anyway. Turns out he was pretty smart wasn’t he? Don’t wait for people to tell you that you’re gifted. Become it.</p>
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<p>I like to think I’m one of these people. Like so many others, I pursued IIT only at the behest of my parents but realised it wasn’t for me in a shockingly short period of time.</p>
<p>I also agree with mysticgohan that persistence is a far better indicator ‘genius’ than raw intellect. A lot of people are smart. Few actually accomplish things with their intelligence, and those are the people who are hailed as prodigies.</p>
<p>Smartness and genius are relative terms in my opinion. I don’t think there will be someone one can call universally genius or smart, it’s just that we’ve come to a conclusion that they are, because they have influenced a field some way or the other. And you simply cannot predict with a cent percent accuracy who is going to do it. </p>
<p>Although he was a fictitious character, but would you call Captain Nemo smart? If yes, on what grounds, and how do you decide? It’s totally based on opinion, isn’t it?</p>
<p>But yes, I agree that one needs to spend time to hone one’s skills, and realizing oneself as it is called. I know a lot of friends of mine overbrimming with potential and raw intelligence, but they hardly spend any time trying to realize it, with the reasons being either lazyness or abject disparagement of their abilities.</p>
<p>I really don’t think your IQ can limit what you accomplish in any way. If you want to achieve something really badly, you will find a way to do it, regardless of your IQ/brain capacity/financial situation/whatever. Mechrocks, you should read The Last Lecture by Randy Pausch, it might well open your eyes! 
(he taught at Carnegie Mellon for a while and the book is something everyone should read IMO!)</p>
<p>And genius does NOT necessarily mean something that comes naturally. It can certainly be developed and consolidated over time. When you meet someone/consider them a genius, you don’t see whether they were born with it or developed it on their own. Its the final product that matters.</p>
<p>@Tizil- wonderful post :D</p>
<p>^There is a co relation between IQ and one’s success in certain fields-
How many physicists or mathematicians do u know who had a low IQ???</p>
<p>Secondly the whole concept of IQ is that it stays same throughout your life(I dont get how u believe that genius can be developed).Take it in a nice way and accept it , i totally agree that IQ is not everything ,and hard work is necessary.
but
a hardworking guy +high IQ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>workaholic+average IQ
but a
moderately intelligent guy who is passionate may be>>>>>>>>>high IQ lazy guy</p>
<p>IRB Cobalt I believe that u are a real fan of the movie Forrest Gump(but may be u took it way 2 seriously)</p>
<p>I agree with your arithmetical expressions I guess 
And no, I haven’t seen Forrest gump.
All I’m saying is, not being a genius in no way limits you, and you seemed to be hinging toward that in your posts.
Also, I don’t ONLY consider people who are born with an ultra-high IQ/super-inclined/talented toward something, as genii. Those who are (moderately) intelligent, and worked hard to rise above others/ accomplish something extraordinary also count as ‘genii’ in my book, as well as many others’, I should think! So in that sense, ‘genius’ can be developed. After all, ‘genius’ is just a perception.</p>
<p>If this is conversation and thread is steering towards development of genius, then I’ll state right now for one last time that genius can be developed.</p>
<p>Mech, use a lesser “>” “<” and “?”. I get lost in the flurry :p</p>
<p>Recently heard from a Wall Street veteran that top firms hire as many from India Institute of Technology as they can get their hands on. Recruitment from the the Ivies comes second.</p>
<p>^The reason behind it is— that employers dont give any sort of benefits to IIT’ns working on H1B visa, which have to provided to the Americans, these benefits vary from insurance covers …to certain trivial job perks.</p>
<p>Every1 wants cheap workforce it is all about money after ,all those out there recruiting do keep these factors in mind.
I would say u to better navigate through portfloios of top tech corporations CTO’s, (people who made it big)that would give u a better idea.</p>
<p>IQ is stupid and not a an accurate gauge for intelligence. It has been statistically shown that there is a strong correlation between financial situation and IQ - kids who are better off do well on IQ tests. The reason for this is that there is a specific way to approach the type of questions in an IQ test, or indeed any test that measures logic or critical thinking, that can only be learned. Richer kids will be exposed to an environment more conducive to education and will therefore do better. Take a slum kid and one from a random public school, give them an IQ test - I will put money on the table that the school kid will do better. IQ is less of a test of raw intelligence than it is a test of how rich and culturally aware, and consequently how EDUCATED, you are. </p>
<p>I object to the word ‘intelligence’ anyway because it has no definition nor a means to quantify it. ‘Genius’ is strongly correlated with hard work and you will not find a notable physicist or mathematician or piano virtuoso who hasn’t put in innumerable hours into perfecting his craft or becoming proficient in his field. All of us have the potential to become Nobel prize winners but 99% of us will not put in the time or the painstaking effort to realize that potential.</p>
<p>‘Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration.’ - I don’t like Edison all that much but that quote always rings true.</p>
<p>^^Great post, and +1 to the quote a hundred time over :D</p>