<p>Wow how’d you manage a 2368? That is impressive.</p>
<p>^^ +1 
This is reminiscent to something (/one) on the Pakistani thread.</p>
<p>is a 2368 possible?? 
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<p>8 and 0 are pretty close on a keypad…</p>
<p>Not that close…:p</p>
<p>He must be a terrible gamer… :D</p>
<p>Should learn some tricks before posting…
And there is a an edit option :D</p>
<p>Idiocy is abound on this thread, save for a few of Surfup’s comments. I don’t have the energy to get involved in another mindless, ill-informed IIT vs US Education thread, but I will surely dispel many of the statements posted previously so as to offer readers a better alternative.</p>
<p>Allow me to lambaste your analysis of USNWR and your lack of consideration of adequate research. I will use your source, to prove my point.</p>
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A majority of students in India don’t have a stable financial support. The same law of mathematics which ensures a higher absolute number of geniuses in India also ensures an equally higher absolute number of poor. Education at IITs, at least at the undergraduate level is heavily subsidized by the Indian government, so that raw talent gets a chance. Though fees structure in IITs is dependent on the course and each respective IIT, on an average, students have to pay ₹50,000 for the course and ₹20,000 for boarding. You can not even begin to fathom how much subsidized that is compared to reasons that I will detail shortly.</p>
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Good luck getting into a top school with only a 2300+ SAT and 800 subject test scores. The US college admissions process is mostly a holistic process. Which means that you main essay, supplement essays, financial ability, recommendations, extracurriculars, academics and race will affect your decision. Not to a small extent, as you may imagine, but to a very large extent. I said “mostly” before because the some students who are exceptionally brilliant at academics do not need to “look” so well rounded. I’ll leave you to ponder on how to classify someone as being exceptionally brilliant at academics.</p>
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Abysmal is a very harsh word, don’t you think? Having all the research opportunities in the world isn’t getting you anywhere if you don’t make use of them. It is not the opportunities that matter, but making the best out of any available opportunities you have that matters.</p>
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Your friends aren’t the most authoritative source, are they? Neither am I. What is it with you and your friends, man? Having the best brand name in the world wouldn’t help you is you don’t help yourself. I am starting to wonder, on seeing this and similar threads that people are just scared of competition and will go to lengths to admire the green grass they have only seen and never tasted and take every opportunity to curse the green grass right under their feet.</p>
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I don’t know where to start with you. You claim to be a UCLA '14 student and yet you are preparing for the SATs and IITs? ■■■■■ seems to be the obvious choice, but I’ll go ahead and give you the benefit of doubt. I think that this might be a good time to unleash the facts, for everyone to see (click for source):
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[<em>]IITK, IITD, IITB, IITM, IITKGP are ranked #36,#37,#38,#43 and #48 in Asia. These same institutes, are at the bottom end of the spectrum of International Faculty and International students with respective ranks of #3, #7, #6, #1. I hope everyone here is smart enough to understand that statistic.
[</em>]For Mechanical Engineering, IITD, ranked at #40 in the world, is leagues ahead of UCSB, Rice, Brown, UIUC, Duke, Princeton, CMU, Northwestern, Georgia Tech, Caltech, Purdue, Cornell and Edinburgh in terms of Employer Reputation Score(ERS). What was that thing you were saying about teaching quality and opportunities?
[<em>] For Electrical Engineering, IITD, ranked at #41 in the world, is way ahead of UCSD, HKUST, UIUC, Prinecton, CMU, Nanyang, Northwestern, NYU, Georgia Tech, Caltech, Purdue, Cornell, ETH Zurich and Edinburgh in ERS.
[</em>] For CS Engineering, IITD ranked at #43 and IITB at #50 are both above UCSD, HKU, HKUST, UIUC, Georgia Tech, Princeton, Cornell, NYU, CMU, Caltech, Zurich, Edinburgh and Purdue in ERS. Furthermore, IITB is above Columbia, ICL, Penn and NUS. Note how IITB is ranked overall lower than IITD.
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I could go on and on about IITD, IITM, IITK and IITB for civil engineering, but I will leave that for you to discover.
The only thing that has not been covered in my post above is the so-called “mentality” you mentioned. There are a fair share of reasons as for why your parents suggest you to strongly consider the IITs. First, is that they are familiar with these institutes and know that if your were to make use of the opportunities provided at the IITs, you could do well in life. Second, is that it is <em>much</em> easier for them financially. As much as people idealize the parent-children love relationship, the harsh reality of finances must be considered while making a decision. Thirdly, they are looking out for you. They don’t want you to end up in a hopeless situation just because of a fancy whim. From what I have made out of your posts, you need to know a lot more about the US admissions process to be able to make an informed decision. Your parents know that the IITs may act as a failsafe when you have no other doors open.</p>
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The first piece of sane advice I’ve come across this thread. I would like to add that don’t look at extracurriculars as another list where you are competing with others to get to the farthest number of activities possible. It doesn’t matter if you do only one thing, but do it well. Be the best at it. “Construct” your application around it.
In a way, yes.
No.
No. Most international olympiads have a very different approach to that of the JEE. Most JEE questions, in themselves, need to be brute-forced. That’s why you need to prepare for such a long time for the exam. So that by memorization, such brute-forcing becomes second nature to you. Most IOI, IMO and ICO - the ones I can speak for - are based on intuitive reasoning and logical thinking.
I believe so.
If you’ve managed to read all that I have written above, then your statement has been answered. If not, I couldn’t care less.</deleted></p>
<p>My previous post is just in response to the first page. After not having access to the internet for 3 days and that ^ being my first post here, I cannot be bothered to read through all the replied, let alone reply. Though I’m glad more people joined the conversation.</p>
<p>This one response caught my eye:</p>
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:D</p>
<p>Edit1: I didn’t notice that the thread grew by five pages in the time it took me to formulate that response :3</p>
<p>Edit2: I’m contemplating editing my 800th post to “■■■■■ thread is ■■■■■.”</p>
<p>Tizil, I agree with u hands down.
Just a few days ago, when the AITS results( All India Test Series, have a level even greayer than IIT conducted by Fiitjee) came, my parents got me to wake up at 5 to see my predicted rank at the JEEs and my percentile( I got quite good rank btw, but that is off the the topic) but the day my ACT results came, they did not even bother. When I told them my results, they said
" Sabse badhiya to JEE hota hai na, usme number la ke dikhayo"
Sometimes, even I agree with them. MOST of the people from India applying to the US are not as smart as the 9000 who get selected for the IITs and personally, I dont want to go to NITs after studying my a** off day in and day out( even though I am confident I can crack AIEEE) studying of the JEE.
If u dont like the IITs, u can crack JEE and transfer to MIT or the ivies( Yes, colleges know what IITs are and how they are more academically stronger than the colleges in US).</p>
<p>@tushargupta, Even though we have a good grip at the science subjects, the olympiads are not just about solving numericals but we need to have in deapth knowledge about the topic to crack the olympiads.</p>
<p>And, just studying for SATs cannot guarentee u a place at the top colleges bcoz US admissions are more than that.</p>
<p>*greater
Sorry for the grammartical errors too, just woke u feeling dizzy :o</p>
<p>@Tizil-Well thought and analysed.I am really amazed at your level of maturity at this age
God bless you</p>
<p>it is possible to get that figure if you had goal and determination.
I am worrying about my physics board exam which is terrible bad.
If I cannot get good marks in physics then their is no point to get admission in higher universities.
Physics had lowered my aspirations.</p>
<p>^Physics screwed me too.</p>
<p>Physics was alright. Nothing great though, pretty lengthy paper.</p>
<p>@akietta, I thought u were in college, applying for transfer, I may be wrong…</p>
<p>btw, I thought SAT scores are in a multiple of 10?? Or am I wrong ??</p>
<p>Well, looks like I was not wrong and seems like akietta gave the SATs in or before 1969. :eek:</p>
<p>Right and someone said that the 9000 who get ranks in the JEE are generally smarter than those that go to the US. Well I wouldn’t say JEE tests your intellect as much it does your preparedness which is borne out of the manifestation of an intense temporally extended diligence. So while they may not all be very intellectually gifted, they are geniuses of hard work and I think that is even more important.</p>
<p>^^No, I did not mean what u exactly said their mysticgohan. I am sorry that u got the wrong idea behind my words. I just said that as more and more people start appearing for JEE, the competition becomes stiffer. But, its like comparing two different faces of a coin, US admissions see ur whole personality and see the real YOU whereas the IITs look at a piece of OMR sheet. I am not saying that the people applying to the US are not smart( rather they are intellectually more mature than who crack the JEE).
JEE requires 2 complete years of hardwork and dedication whereas the colleges in US want to see the overall development of a person. </p>
<p>I am sorry again for not explaining the reasons behind my words, and I dont want to slam anyone’s thoughts or statements, just giving my views. You all are more older and wiser than I am and I just quote my thoughts here bcoz I feel quite comfortable here, I am sorry to those who think or thought otherwise of me.</p>
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Philosoraptor: Aren’t we all? 
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<p>:eek: Bold claim ;)</p>
<p>Just because I can still edit, here goes:</p>
<p>Not saying you’re wrong Mrinal. It’s more of a, “I want to see how (s)he backs it up when someone challenges her/him” kind of a statement.</p>
<p>^^That is my thought, I may be wrong Tizil</p>