<p>"Op must also be prepared for the possiblity that he could lose his spot at both schools"</p>
<p>and as a result of breaking ED contracts not get into any other top tier colleges.</p>
<p>I don't think that the admissions officers will buy his excuse. He signed the contract. Obviously, he has excellent English and critical thinking skills to get the acceptances that he did. His excuse won't hold water.</p>
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Which is no doubt what Brown and Princeton are seeking in their accepted applicants.</p>
<p>In fact, if these schools do not rescind admission (irrespective of whether the OP's error was intentional or not), they make a mockery of the entire process.</p>
<p>All you can do is call up the admission offices and have them decide (or you could pose a "hypothetical" situtation to see how they respond). Unfortunatley, you must be prepared for the harsh reality that your admission might be rescinded at both universities though.</p>
<p>anyways, schools share ED info, so they'll find out anyway once they finalize ED amits, etc...</p>
<p>the OP knew enough to check with "gc" about ED, and could somehow fill out the application, write essays, etc...</p>
<p>to claim ignorance won't fly</p>
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dunno, somehow the OP comes off to me as halfway legit. And I'm a sucker for ignorance
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<p>I think OP is not honest. If you spend a couple of years studying in any of the Asian countries (Singapore, China, India, Korea, etc), as I have done, you realize how the kids there constantly play the system, try to get around the rules and, in general, cheat their way to success.
I truly think Americans are very gullible and can't compete with cheaters. If I were an ADCOM, I wouldn't admit internationals and consequently reject American kids.</p>
<p>^ Don't stereotype. It's offensive and you don't make any sense... </p>
<p>If colleges "wouldn't admit internationals and reject American kids" then you're saying no one should get into college.</p>
<p>^^^ You wrongly stated my point. I wouldn't do this: "Admit internationals and consequently reject...."</p>
<p>I am not stereotyping, I speak from experience. I saw how things are done there...</p>
<p>"If I were an ADCOM, I wouldn't admit internationals and consequently reject American kids."</p>
<p>That is unbelievable narrow-minded.</p>
<p>You are stereotyping. And if you honestly believe that a stereotype (i.e. Asians=cheaters) applies to every individual, then you are hopelessly ignorant. Many Asians might cheat (I don't speak from experience), but not all do. There are always exceptions to every generalization about a group of people. It's degrading and simply wrong to attempt to apply such a statement to an entire culture.</p>
<p>"I am not stereotyping, I speak from experience. I saw how things are done there..."</p>
<p>Obviously the experience didn't help you...</p>
<p>I don't believe that every Asian is a cheater (so I am not stereotyping), but honestly believe that on an average kids there cheat more and on an average American kids are more honest. So my conclusion about whom to admit.
And, I am not narrow-minded, just a less gullible American kid... lol.</p>
<p>Its probably fake since the OP has not posted anymore.</p>
<p>"(so I am not stereotyping), but honestly believe that on an average kids there cheat more and on an average American kids are more honest"</p>
<p>Of course, that's not stereotyping ;). </p>
<p>What are you basing your discriminatory assertion upon?</p>
<p>Personal experience: spent two years in one of those countries, watched what goes on, read newspaper articles on academic dishonesty, etc. In general, rule of law is not as robust there as in the US. Again, it is based on my experience, your milage may vary.</p>
<p>I'm an Asian(-American), and I can honestly say I'm not offended at all by that stereotype, because from what I've heard from my cousin (who is in high school in Shanghai), people do tend to bend the rules more. Not everyone, but the elite who want to enter U.S. insitutions are especially prone to this kind of "cheating".... competition is fierce, rules are more flexible ("guanxi," or connections, and palm-greasing is more socially acceptable) and the ends are often thought to justify the means.</p>
<p>I don't think it necessarily means Asians (meaning in Asian countries, NOT those in the U.S.) are less honest, but that their core values are different... cheating in relationships, for example, is definitely much less tolerated, and standards of how one is to treat one's parents are strict and unforgiving.</p>
<p>I don't know if the OP is making things up or not, but I think the "honesty" of overseas apps is a legitimate discussion we should have... not too long ago, a Korean school was found to have been distributing SAT II questions to its students in advance, and all sorts of things of that kind. "Prep schools" of all kinds are under pressure to do that kind of thing, especially in East Asian where "prep schools" are outside of normal Mon-Fri schools (and are called "cram schools" in the West).</p>
<p>"Personal experience: spent two years in one of those countries, watched what goes on, read newspaper articles on academic dishonesty, etc. In general, rule of law is not as robust there as in the US. Again, it is based on my experience, your milage may vary."</p>
<p>I have been living in the South for the last six months (I'm European) and I have met a copious amount of racist, bible-thumping, gay-bashing, bigots. I, however, don't presuppose that all Americans adhere to identical ethical codes and beliefs. You can't generalize an entire country's population by a few encounters. Maybe if you had met every single citizen and knew them intimately then you could, but I don't suppose you have? Just becareful about what you say.</p>
<p>Yeah, after some thinking, this is probably just a troll come to rile us up... ah well. Mission completed, eh?</p>
<p>yup, end discussion please.</p>
<p>you got into both princeton and brown ED (being an international student too!) ??? i hate to ask about your stats!</p>