<p>^It’s real ridiculous actually. I personally wouldn’t care a bit about a person’s race, but more about their personality. My parents also firmly believe that people in high school or college don’t really understand anything about the world.</p>
<p>I am not denying that it is a horrible thing to say. Merely the sentence caught me off guard.</p>
<p>Tell you what, when you start paying for the roof over your head, the food you eat, and your education, then you can start whining about how authoritarian your parents are. Seriously, children nowadays are horribly undisciplined.</p>
<p>They can be kinda irritating sometimes but I’m glad my parents are who they are and I accept them. They just want the best for you :)</p>
<p>My dad is the most level-headed, reasonable person ever. It’s inhuman, and I appreciate it very much. My mom is human, like most of us, and has good and bad moods. I appreciate that as well.</p>
<p>Saying that children are undisciplined and disrespectful is an easy (and ignorant) way to discredit the completely valid points they bring up.</p>
<p>writertobe2293, your parents provide with everything you could ever need from food, to education, to shelter, to clothing, to sources of entertainment (money to buy electronics and such). The only thing they expect in return is a disciplined and well-rounded child who is willing to respect his or her elders. Is that too much to ask for?</p>
<p>^lol, my parents do not provide all of that. I am given food and shelter. The state provides education. If I want clothing, entertainment, a car, gas, college, etc., then I will sure as hell work for it. Too bad they make too much for me to get financial aid. </p>
<p>I’m sorry but I can’t respect elders who don’t deserve it. I don’t think that just by being older they automatically deserve children’s blind respect. I also dont believe that respect can be bought. Respect is to be earned. Of course I can look past certain faults, but only to a point. I do respect my parents, but it is for their efforts, not for their age or status. </p>
<p>I tend to see my parents more on equal ground with me. That’s just how my family dynamic is. I like it that way. My parents and I discuss things and reason out a conclusion. We don’t always agree, but it’s a lot better than when they try to act like an authoritarian from the start.</p>
<p>alwaysleah, I agree with you completely. Classof2015HS, I agree with you as well, seeing as that’s essentially how my dad is. </p>
<p>But I do understand the point about children being “undisciplined and disrespectful.” Yes, there are kids out there who are so horribly licentious that you wonder how they even function. And yes, some of these people have wonderful parents that don’t deserve this disrespect and malice (if you’ll allow me to call it that).
On the same hand, we really can’t just stereotype kids and classify all of them as uneducated or rude or selfish. For instance, I like to think (like to think…) that the majority of us are above that.
It’s even scarier to think that these ungrateful children grow up to be ridiculous parents. I think that’s part of the problem. Children act the way they do because they’re able to get away with it. </p>
<p>I also want to throw out a question to you guys- for those of you that are completely different from your parents and believe that your parents are morally corrupt, how do you think you became the way you are? Where did you learn your beliefs and personal values if not from your parents? This is something I’ve been thinking about for awhile.</p>
<p>the smart kids get all the good parents. it’s no fair.</p>
<p>Smart parents have smart kids, lrn2genetics</p>
<p>^^^ It takes hundreds, if not thousands of years for a fairly wide IQ (smart) advantage to emerge with “smart” parents.</p>
<p>And there’s that “smart man, average woman” phenomenon (that’s all based on IQ.)</p>
<p>In reality, it’s that the “smart” parents are probably not so much smarter as more disciplined and better at raising children.</p>
<p>NO. they are kinder and have more empathy and compassion, and their maternal instincts aren’t numbed by society as much. discipline is not the holy grail to effective child rearing - love and intelligence are. </p>
<p>I’m not sure what mean about IQ advantage and thousands of years- I know parental IQ has quite a high correlation with adult child IQ.</p>
<p>Raising children obviously requires at least some form of discipline. You want to raise undisciplined children? Hilarious. I’ll come back in ten years to see you struggling to stay alive with undisciplined kids running around screaming all day.
And taking the exact quote: “The exact thing they are not is disciplined” LOL. Now the parents are undisciplined?..</p>
<p>You try raising children through empathy and compassion. Yes, they are pretty necessary, but they’re more like a cushion and help instill good qualities. You can’t use empathy and compassion as the TOOLS to raise your children.</p>
<p>yeah, i do want to raise my children undisciplined. I know that plenty of baboons and gorillas and elephants turn out well enough without a whole lot of discipline as long as they have friendships and love. I think you’ll probably be the one running around with screaming kids trying to “discipline” them ;). my kids’ll be chewing on raw beef liver with big grins of delight.</p>
<p>Totally undisciplined? To what degree? 0.O</p>
<p>I hope they brush their teeth at the very least, biweekly.</p>
<p>Change that “big grins of delight” to “squirming line of pain” from the tapeworm growing in their stomachs and we have a winner.</p>
<p>Life isn’t a Disney movie. It’s not all about “friendships” and “love.”
Are you saying that people without friends or love can’t be happy? Not only that, that they don’t have any semblance of “real” living? So…was Thoreau a total failure in Walden then? Or did the birds and tree bark provide sufficient “love?”</p>
<p><em>sigh</em> i feel bad for you. Are you really planning on having children?</p>
<p>I have never thought about it in detail, but no rules. you don’t need to teach every kid respect or kindness or appropriate behavior - they’ll pick up how to live, speak, and express themselves in a stunning way if the environment is right. that’s how I feel at least. of course it’s not true for ALL kids.</p>
<p>No I wasn’t saying that. I wouldn’t say life is a disney move. But I would say friendship and love and science are some of the most awesome things humanity can experience.</p>
<p>I’m planning on having children if I find a good mate :).</p>
<p>…where did that science come from? its was cheesy, cheesy, and then science…</p>
<p>Anyhoo, kids aren’t like that. During the toddler stage, they develop a sense of what’s right and wrong. That’s why they ask so many prodding questions, and it’s also when they “test their limits” and explore their boundaries. They need to be shown what not to do, and what is not acceptable. They could, of course find out for themselves, but don’t you as a future parent want to save your child a bit of time and hurt?
Life isn’t long enough to learn just from your mistakes. You can save a heck of a lot of time by learning from the mistakes of others.</p>
<p>love and friendship are no less cheesy than science. </p>
<p>I tend to think that human kids and intelligent animals have an innate sense of right and wrong. enforcing an external paradigm of right and wrong that contradicts the innate sense seems like trouble. Best to hope your child is innately empathetic and loving (and to do whatever you can to ensure their potential for those things are realized - like by feeding them raw liver pieces and loving them unconditionally).
anyway, we’ll experiment with our kids the way we want if we have them.</p>
<p>…you’ve got to be kidding me.</p>
<p>You think people have an INNATE sense of right and wrong? That they know from birth? That it’s somehow genetic and “inborn?”</p>
<p>Then why do we have parents then? If kids already know what’s right and wrong, all parents would need to do is provide shelter and food (and the compassion/love)
Humans are not born with moral codes. They don’t come programmed in us. Only after experience does a moral code begin to build within us. </p>
<p>Ever notice how feral children/ adults don’t have that so-called “inborn sense of goodness?” They follow the moral code of the animals they live with. And the animals give them compassion and “love” like you’ve stated.</p>
<p>Finally, let’s end this with a…hm…we probably shouldn’t “experiment” with our children…it might just be me, but I don’t think children should be experimented on.
Anyway, this debate was pretty fun. I think we can agree to disagree----->for now.</p>
<p>Till next time, 'mate!</p>