<p>yeah, cheating goes on everywhere, and to tell you the truth, most people are cool with it. Whether its making a really small copy of your latin vocab words to hide in your palm or writing a formula in pencil on your desk, ive seen it all. hell, I've seen one of the greatest cheating performances of all time. This one teacher would keep quizes in his office overnight, with the only entrance being through a classroom on the side. My friend would go tell the janitor he left his suitcoat in the classroom after school, take his test and some other high scoring kids, and then go up to the bball court and "take notes". The next day, he would just put both exams back in the pile. Brilliant plan. Anyway, cheating goes on all the time. Heck, its even glorified in movies like "Cheats" or "Cheaters". But the biggest reason its accepted is cause everyones hates a snitch. Everyone. They become social outcasts the minute they do it. Just read some of the definitions on UD</p>
<p>Wondering: how will the snitch-haters hack it at a college with an honor code that requires students to report cheating? If a confirmed cheater knows he/she will continue at college, I suppose he/she could just apply to schools without honor codes, or with less stringent codes. When the expectation is that cheating will not be tolerated, the cheaters become the social outcasts (if not expelled).</p>
<p>Although my kids have been aware of cheating, they've never reported it to a teacher because of the sure knowledge that they'd be ostracized as a result. They won't share answers or allow others to copy homework. When they've stood up to pressure, they've been badmouthed. I wonder what would happen if middle and high schools adopted the same code so many colleges have, and required that students report cheating? As it is, many schools don't support students who would consider doing this.</p>
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Question: if someone is going to do this, why not just make up some flash cards in advance (would probably take less time because they wouldn't have to cramp their handwriting) and review them a few times? I believe this is called "studying."</p>
<p>My DD became aware of a another student cheating off her classwork, especially tests. At her large public high school, there is no honor code and she would be thought of as a 'snitch' had she reported it. She decided to resolve the problem herself. I thought it was hilarious when she carefully marked incorrect answers on a multiple choice test one day and then shifted her test to the other side of the desk and changed the answers to the correct answers. I wish I could have seen the look on that cheater's face when she got her paper back. Suffice it to say that she failed miserably and was shocked when DD got the usual 'A'. Cheaters = lazy people who will fail in life when they can no longer depend on getting the correct answers from the smart people.</p>
<p>To the OP: that's just sad, sad, sad.</p>
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Wondering: how will the snitch-haters hack it at a college with an honor code that requires students to report cheating? If a confirmed cheater knows he/she will continue at college, I suppose he/she could just apply to schools without honor codes, or with less stringent codes. When the expectation is that cheating will not be tolerated, the cheaters become the social outcasts (if not expelled).
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<p>Definitely do not come to Dartmouth, because they will throw you out when it comes to violating their honor code for academic honesty.</p>
<p>*"Parkhurst" is one of the scariest verbs in the Dartmouth lexicon. Named for the building in which undergraduate judicial hearings occur, getting "Parkhursted" is a slang term for being suspended or expelled by the College. </p>
<p>David Chattman '08, who recently returned from a three-term suspension, faced sanctions due to violations of the honor principle in a freshman English class last winter.</p>
<p>Chattman opted for a hearing and said the process was very intimidating.</p>
<p>"The trial is pretty daunting and an intimidating experience," he said. "There are three teachers and three students and a dean who, beforehand, come up with questions. You get to have an advisor but they're not really there to help you out, just calm you down."</p>
<p>Sayat Ozyilmaz '08, whom COS placed on probation for violations of the honor principle, said that, throughout the process, many students have a subconscious paranoia about getting "Parkhursted."</p>
<p>"Everyone sees it as this source of enigmatic fear; they don't know anything about the procedure," she said.</p>
<p>Angela Fang '07 expressed concerns about violating the academic honor principle unknowingly.</p>
<p>"I always wonder if I could still be caught on a technicality even though I could be so well-intentioned to credit every possible bit of work to the correct author," she said.</p>
<p>Other students feel that such fears are trivial, claiming that it is not difficult to obey the honor code.</p>
<p>"It is your responsibility to educate yourself about the Standards of Conduct," Kirsten Wong '06, a member of COS said. "I feel that if you are a responsible person, we aren't asking too much of you."</p>
<p>Jared Hyatt '06, who also serves on COS, said that professors can do a lot more to prevent uncertainty about the honor code.</p>
<p>"I think professors should be more explicit explaining what students can and cannot do in collaborating with one another," he said. "I think many cases would be avoided if professors spent an extra ten minutes describing what is acceptable behavior."</p>
<p>The standard sanction for an honor code violation is a four-term suspension, but Thompson stressed that COS sentences individuals on a case-by-case basis and, therefore, fears of lengthy suspensions for minor infractions were misplaced.</p>
<p>"Many students make confusions in citations who did not get a four term suspension because that is not appropriate," Thompson said.</p>
<p>"The sanctions are always deliberated and voted on. We match the sanction to the case. While there may be 'standard' sanctions, they aren't fixed and in stone," Wong assured.</p>
<p>Chattman said that, although he understood the need for strict sanctions, the penalties levied against students are often extreme.</p>
<p>"Honor principle violations are treated as murder here. A lot of these violations involve honest mistakes," he said. "I feel the school treats a plagiarizer the same way as a sex offender; it's kind of ridiculous."*</p>
<p>Middle schools and High schools need to establish honor codes but they need to do so in a way that protects those who tell. At my kids' school, you can confidentially tell the principal and he won't say who told him. Also, by allowing kids to confidentially tell, it gives teachers a "heads up" as to who to "keep an eye on" so that they (the teachers) can catch the culprit "in the act." </p>
<p>By confidentially letting the faculty know who is cheating and how they are doing it, it gives them the opportunity to "catch" the person without ever revealing that there was a "snitch". It just looks like the teacher discovered the cheating all on her own.</p>
<p>Somewhere in the belly of these archives are several cheating threads I started last year, when a student was caught red-handed taking other student's work out of the turn in bin and copying it. (among other things) This student even went to ISS. However, it continued all year, they graduated near the top of the class, and received thousands of dollars of scholarship money.</p>
<p>I have STILL not been able to get the school board to finalize an academic integrity policy. It was <em>sent to committee</em> and never came out. I even had wonderful examples for them to use as models, thanks to the posters here at CC. The lack of interest in developing a policy that protects other students from the cheaters just baffles me.</p>
<p>My alma mater, UVa, is trying to decide whether or not to modify the single sanction honor code that has been part of the school since it's existence. The penalty for lying, cheating or stealing is expulsion if you are found guilty at an honor trial with a jury of your peers. You can be turned in by a fellow student, or a teacher. Now they are looking at having some sort of gradation of punishments.</p>
<p>It is interesting that the younger generation, the one that thinks cheating is okay or they don't want to be tagged as a <em>snitch,</em> are pushing for the changes. The older generations want it to remain the same. Somewhere in the last decade or so it seems that cheating has become acceptable. Everyone else does it so why shouldn't I? Why study when I can cheat? Who cares if it isn't my work as long as I get the best grade? <em>shudder</em></p>
<p>Texasmom or others</p>
<p>Does anyone know where those cheating links are that Texas mom writes about? I would like to start a thread about how to stop cheating and how to write up an effective honor code. I am in a committee at school to start an honor code.</p>
<p>I'll try to do some digging. Maybe search under cheating. The threads were towards the end of last school year. April/May 2005. A lot of people pm'd me about their experiences with cheats and how it negatively impacted their children.</p>
<p>Oh, and put on your flame retardant suit. This is a touchy subject. Yes, being flamed for being against cheating...who would have thought?</p>
<p>One of the best crafted policies was this one:<a href="http://www.newtrier.k12.il.us/academics/english/handbook/integrity_policy.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.newtrier.k12.il.us/academics/english/handbook/integrity_policy.htm</a></p>
<p>I can't remember who sent it, but thank you!</p>
<p>Okay, here is one of them:</p>
<p>You can type cheating into the search function, go to about page 32 or 33, look for "What ever happend to the Cheater" and "Cheating Happens"</p>
<p>BTW, there are 500 pages of threads that refer to cheating. :(</p>
<p>Wow!! Thanks.</p>
<p>I will put on my flak jacket now.... :)</p>
<p>also, please see my new thread asking about cheating deterents, honor codes, etc. </p>
<p>Thanks :)</p>