<p>Yep. Most Mac users don’t know much about the PC, but they still post in this thread and attempt to compare the two, not knowing that there is always a PC that fits their needs.</p>
<p>Ah, but is there a PC that fulfills their wants?</p>
<p>Generally people want what a good PC has, and most Mac users don’t know what they want because they never had a good PC. If you want something inferior the Mac is the choice for you.</p>
<p>What if I want a PC that has a desktop that looks like a Mac?</p>
<p>“Actually, what you need is OSX, and OSX runs on a PC just fine.”</p>
<p>My employer would never allow that illegal activity.</p>
<p>Niquii77:
You get a hackintosh or you install an OSX theme for windows.</p>
<p>vonlost:
A victimless crime… Also, I thought I mentioned that EULAs don’t hold up in court. Legal or not, Windows > OSX, so for most users they would never need to install OSX in the first place. If you absolutely need OSX, Apple will never know what you did with your copy of OSX so feel free to do whatever you want with it. For a legal solution you can buy an Apple sold SSD with OSX pre-installed and then install it onto a PC.</p>
<p>“Point out the opinions in post #91.”</p>
<p>Your opinions appear throughout this thread. A few:</p>
<p>Unless the only language you know is Objective C, you have no reason to use a Mac. I would choose C# and C++ over Objective C, and I’m sure all real programmers would do the same. The Mac only has middle/high end laptops to choose from, making it a waste of money for the average user. Not much of a problem for the college student if he is always close to an power source. For the same amount of money as a Mac, you can buy a PC that is much better. No matter what Mac you want to buy, there will always be a better PC for hundreds of dollars less. Why use Mac software when there is better PC software for basically everything? I can tell you that you are overpaying for a simple service that you could have done yourself. I already know that the PC is better than the Mac, and I am not here to start a Mac vs PC argument, I’m just disproving popular myths about the Mac, and looking for real reasons to own one instead of a PC. I see no benefit of owing a thinner laptop unless you travel a lot and don’t have any sort of carrying case. The only reason why I didn’t provide a detailed response to the trackpad was because its practically worthless to anybody who uses their computer for more than just a web browser. I know that most Mac users are ignorant consumers, so of course they wont care about my explanation. Basically, Windows + Linux > Mac + Linux. If you don’t own a surge protector, you shouldn’t have a computer. My point is that anybody who actually needs a powerful $1000+ computer doesn’t need a trackpad. Until someone manages to find a major advantage that the Mac has over the PC, the obvious choice is the PC because of price/performance+PC benefits.</p>
<p>You have your opinions about which factors are important to you, but they are opinions.</p>
<p>“A victimless crime” is irrelevant to my employer.</p>
<p>the mac simply has superior hardware.
I just took my macbook air (love the build), formatted it, and did a clean install of windows (love the software / familiarity).</p>
<p>A DIY MagSafe cable is not a relevant point to the discussion. Don’t be willfully obtuse.</p>
<p>/You/ might only care about functionality, but other people care about look and feel and having a pleasant experience.</p>
<p>Hackintoshes aren’t an option for many people. As vonlost keeps pointing out, the “victimless crime” crap won’t fly with your company’s Legal department. For personal machines? Sure, it can be a legitimate option, assuming you find hardware that OS X is comfortable with. I would personally be willing to do this. But there’s a lot of hassle here to deal with, which rules it out for average consumers.</p>
<p>OS X themes are not the same thing.</p>
<p>I would be surprised if there were an ultra book with most of the features I mentioned (especially the Retina display, which is extremely critical for me) that costs significantly less than a MacBook Pro. Premium PCs tend to be in the same price range. I’d love to see such a model if you know of one, though, since I’m planning on purchasing a new laptop in the next few months.</p>
<p>I don’t want a touchscreen on my laptop. Using one for an extended period of time will only result in the “gorilla arm” syndrome. I just want a good trackpad.</p>
<p>Also, this was mentioned before, but it’s worth bringing up again since much of your argument seems to be based on price differences: Macs have a much higher resale value. After a few years of ownership, you can recover hundreds of dollars more than you would be able to recover with a similar PC. Earlier you dismissed this point by explaining why this phenomenon exists. But that doesn’t matter. The point is that the total cost of ownership for most Macs isn’t nearly as high as you might think. Macs won’t ever be dirt-cheap (it’s a useless market segment for Apple), but they’re at least in the “expensive but comparable to many PCs” range.</p>
<p>vonlost:
All of those opinions are irrelevant if both OSX and Windows can be installed legally(I provided you with a legal way of putting OSX on the PC). What you don’t realize is that most of the so called opinions can be considered as facts if I provided some more information. </p>
<p>“Unless the only language you know is Objective C, you have no reason to use a Mac.”
The Mac has a better compiler/tools for Objective C. However, Objective C programming is also possible on the PC. Since OSX can run on a PC legally this is not a Mac benefit.</p>
<p>“I would choose C# and C++ over Objective C, and I’m sure all real programmers would do the same.”
This is an opinion, but what you don’t realize is that you can write much more efficient code in C#/C++. Of course I prefer the superior language, just like Mac users prefer the inferior language.</p>
<p>“The Mac only has middle/high end laptops to choose from, making it a waste of money for the average user.”
This is a fact. The average user does not require a medium end $1000+ Mac, he probably requires a $400 low end PC. If you thing spending $600 on hardware that you will never use isn’t a waste of money, then I don’t know what is. Keep in mind that that $400 laptop may be just as powerful as a $1200 Mac. </p>
<p>“Not much of a problem for the college student if he is always close to an power source.”
If you always had a power outlet next to you you wouldn’t care about battery life. You forgot that there are ultrabooks with even bigger battery than a Mac.</p>
<p>“For the same amount of money as a Mac, you can buy a PC that is much better. No matter what Mac you want to buy, there will always be a better PC for hundreds of dollars less.”
[Newegg.com</a> - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more!](<a href=“Are you a human?”>Are you a human?)</p>
<p>The PC has:
A bigger screen size
4-2 times the RAM
500-250 GB more hard drive space plus a SSD.
Double the GPUs
4 times the VRAM
Higher resolution
Support for double the memory size
An extra USB 2.0 port
An HDMI port
AccuType Keyboard with numeric keypad
6 in 1 card reader </p>
<p>All of this in exchange for shorter battery life (double the GPUs, half the battery life) and somewhat bigger design(not by much).
The PC costs $540 less. </p>
<p>“Why use Mac software when there is better PC software for basically everything?”
Everything from word processing, photo editing, and 3D animation. I would do some benchmarks to prove it, but that would be a waste of time because I already know the outcome. Still, OSX can run on the PC, so software isn’t a problem.</p>
<p>“I can tell you that you are overpaying for a simple service that you could have done yourself.”
If you do it yourself, you pay less. If you pay someone to do it, you pay more. Its as simple as that.</p>
<p>“I already know that the PC is better than the Mac, and I am not here to start a Mac vs PC argument, I’m just disproving popular myths about the Mac, and looking for real reasons to own one instead of a PC.”
Considering all of the information that I provided you with already, you shouldn’t even be able to justify buying a Mac unless you don’t believe any evidence that I posted in this thread. That seems about right, considering that you don’t respond to any of the evidence, and instead you keep on trying to find a way to invalidate my position without using evidence to support your position. If only you were a politician…</p>
<p>“I see no benefit of owing a thinner laptop unless you travel a lot and don’t have any sort of carrying case.”
The PC has ultrabooks, remember? I said that when I was comparing PC laptops to the Mac. That sentence was directed to people who don’t care about the weight/size of their computers, people who don’t travel or don’t have a carrying case.</p>
<p>“The only reason why I didn’t provide a detailed response to the trackpad was because its practically worthless to anybody who uses their computer for more than just a web browser.”
I have responded to the touchpad in greater detail. My main point was that the mouse>touchpad in the vast majority of software.</p>
<p>“I know that most Mac users are ignorant consumers, so of course they wont care about my explanation.”
That response was sarcasm. You are the second person who didn’t see that. You fall for taunts too easily.</p>
<p>“Basically, Windows + Linux > Mac + Linux.”
Opinion? Sure. Generally accepted opinion? Definitely. All irrelevant since all OS’ can be installed on a PC.</p>
<p>“If you don’t own a surge protector, you shouldn’t have a computer.”
Any educated computer user would know the benefits of a surge protector. Sounds better now? Did you honestly think that I meant what I said?</p>
<p>“My point is that anybody who actually needs a powerful $1000+ computer doesn’t need a trackpad.”
If you buy a $1000+ computer, a trackpad will not be very useful in applications that actually require $1000+ performance. Games, 3D animation software and other demanding software is harder to use with a trackpad. You might think this is an opinion also, but the truth is that using a mouse is more efficient in such applications. </p>
<p>“Until someone manages to find a major advantage that the Mac has over the PC, the obvious choice is the PC because of price/performance+PC benefits.”
This is common sense, the obvious choice is the computer with the most/greatest benefits. Since nobody managed to find a major feature of the Mac that wasn’t surpassed by a similar PC feature, the Mac is below average at best when compared to
a PC.</p>
<p>sumzup:
- You are implying that the Mac gives the user a better experience without providing any proof.
- There are legal ways to get a Hackintosh, and the legal ways are as easy as connecting a hard drive. Not much of a hassle now, is it?
- Not the same thing, but the same/very similar GUI. Also, if you want to claim that OSX has a better GUI, prove it.
- Prove how the Mac touchpad is better than: [Synaptics</a> Gesture Suite? for TouchPads | Synaptics](<a href=“http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/technology/touchpad]Synaptics”>http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/technology/touchpad)
- I already replied to the higher resale value. The conclusion was that you save more money in the end if you buy a new PC. If you buy a used PC, you save even more money because you pay less for it.</p>
<p>If we aren’t going to use opinions as reasons why the PC/Mac is better, I expect you to do the same. Only reasons that can be backed up by evidence are valid from this point onward. If no evidence is provided, it is not a benefit.</p>
<p>“Only reasons that can be backed up by evidence are valid from this point onward.”</p>
<p>Yet another opinion. What is important to each of us is a matter of our own opinions. You’re free to have the opinion (using your opinions of what is important) that Mac buyers/fans/users are wrong. </p>
<p>Go ahead and enjoy your PCs “knowing” they are better! :)</p>
<p>That wasn’t an opinion, that was a suggestion. You still haven’t provided me with any evidence that shows the benefits of a Mac, so under this new rule the Mac has no provable benefit so far. You go ahead and enjoy your baseless belief in the superiority of a Mac. “Don’t hold strong opinions about things you don’t understand.”</p>
<p>“Mac has no provable benefit so far.”</p>
<p>Correct; it’s not provable. It’s preference and opinion.</p>
<p>I find it strange how I managed to prove a lot more than anybody else in this thread.</p>
<p>What are your thoughts on the iMac?</p>
<p>“I find it strange how I managed to prove a lot more than anybody else in this thread.”</p>
<p>You proved it to yourself!</p>
<p>Niquii77-
An iMac is basically an all in one PC. It is more reasonably priced than the Mac laptops. </p>
<p>vonlost-
So you are denying all of the evidence posted in this thread?</p>
<p>Oh, okay, I think I understand where you’re coming from now. Compared to other all-in-one computers, do you feel the iMac is a competitive product?</p>
<p>Basiclly an all-in-one computer? It is an all-in-computer.</p>
<p>“So you are denying all of the evidence posted in this thread?”</p>
<p>Your “evidence” is just not relevant to me. No matter what you say, no matter what you assemble, I will still prefer Mac for the overall experience, hardware and software. The details of “why” are unimportant to me. I have the computer I want to use; it’s that simple.</p>
<p>Niquii77:
Compared to the PC all in ones the Mac fits in quite well. As always, the PC has a greater variety, and low end versions.</p>
<p>vonlost:
Ignoring evidence is ignorance. Why are you even posting ITT if your goal isn’t to contribute to the Mac benefits? Attacking my position without evidence isn’t going to help either of us, but defending your position with evidence will.</p>