Initial Acceptance Rates - Class of 2015

[UCBChemEGrad]

<p>Japanako, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.</p>

[manarius]

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Japanako, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

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<p>You catch even more with a steaming pile of ****.</p>

[manarius]

<p>Double post.</p>

[45_Percenter]

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@bclintonk

@45 Percenter

Sorry, but your assertions here are utterly belied by the actual data. For each of the last 7 years, Penn has consistently accepted around 1,150-1,200 applicants through the ED process, out of a total entering class of 2,400-2,500. And the resulting percentage of the entering class admitted through ED has also remained consistent, at just below 50%.

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<p>Well, I don’t know about “utterly belied,” but thanks for the correction. I didn’t have the longer run of data; I did know Penn’s ED applications were up for the class of 2014 over the previous year, and that they had a record number of ED admits in 2014. My mistake was in thinking this was part of a longer term trend, when in fact the ED pool had previously peaked and then declined a bit before going back up again for the class of 2014.</p>

<p>As for the 50% of Penn’s class admitted ED, I take that as a pretty clear refutation of santeria’s and ewho’s claim that if you fill a large percentage of the class ED, RD applications will decline. Clearly not Penn’s experience as their RD pool continues to grow despite an exceptionally large percentage of the class filled ED. Most colleges can’t come anywhere near filling 50% of their entering class from the ED pool. But as the data submitted by a variety of posters show, many (but not all) schools are seeing substantial growth in their ED pools this year, and if the stats of those ED pools hold up, I still think we’ll see many of them admitting a larger percentage of their class ED, for all the reasons I previously stated. Penn, on the other hand, may have decided to hold the line at 50% of the entering class, since despite an 18.3% increase in the ED pool they held the number of ED admits virtually constant (1195 for 2015 v. 1200 for 2014, a trivial difference).

Just be careful about casting aspersions on the motives or credibility of the admissions process at another school, or on the so-called “gullible” high school students who apply there as you characterized them, especially when those aspersions are completely unsupported by the data. Even with access to only last year’s ED admissions data, your allegations of Penn’s purported manipulation of its ED and RD numbers were without any basis.</p>

[bclintonk]

<p>^ I didn’t cast any “aspersions” about “manipulation” by Penn or anyone else. I just said there are good reasons colleges might look to boost ED admissions if they have the opportunity to do so without diluting their entering class. That’s not pejorative. It’s reality.</p>

<p>Penn just happens to have one of the highest percentages of its entering class decided at the ED round. That obviously has an effect on its RD admissions rate. And I think it’s demonstrably true that as Penn’s RD and overall acceptance rates have declined, that has made the school appear to be more “selective” and consequently more “desirable” to applicants. Is that “manipulation”? I didn’t say so.</p>

[45_Percenter]

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@bclintonk

I didn’t cast any “aspersions” about “manipulation” by Penn or anyone else. I just said there are good reasons colleges might look to boost ED admissions if they have the opportunity to do so without diluting their entering class. That’s not pejorative. It’s reality.

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<p>Well, you may not have intended to be perjorative, or to cast aspersions about manipulation, but your use of quotation marks around “prestigious,” combined with your use of the word “gullible,” certainly came off that way, at least to me:</p>

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@bclintonk

Penn, for example, also had a record ED applicant pool last year, and accepted a record number (and a record fraction of the entering class) out of that pool. Result? their RD and overall admit rates dropped, making them look even more “prestigious” to gullible HS students, and they again had a record number of applicants this year. And if their ED pool is larger and equally strong, my guess is they’ll accept an even larger number of ED applicants this year.

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<p>And in fact, you continue to assert in the post immediately above that Penn has appeared to be more “selective” and more “desirable” to applicants [your quotation marks], implying that Penn’s increased selectivity and desirability are somehow not genuine.</p>

[bovertine]

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Actually, I’m trying to be pragmatic. A lot of the nation’s thousands of colleges will admit almost everyone with a pulse and a diploma or GED. Do we really want a list that’s two or three thousand lines long?

Milburn, those disgusting hillbillies are posting to our list again! I think Jethro even listed the acceptance rate at Purdue. I feel faint.</p>

<p>People need to know which schools are safeties too. Most of the schools on that list are schools I’ve seen mentioned on here someplace. People actually apply there, even some people on CC. I don’t think there’s a big risk of the list growing to 2000 schools. But if it does, so what?</p>

[japanoko]

<p>2.9% – Curtis Inst. of Music
5.5 ---- Julliard
6.2 ---- Harvard
6.9 ---- Columbia
7.1 ---- Stanford
7.2 ---- Cooper Union
7.4 ---- Yale
8.4 ---- Princeton
8.7 ---- Brown
9.6 ---- MIT
9.7 ---- Dartmouth
12.0 — Cal Tech
12.3 — Univ. of Penn
12.6 — Duke
12.8 — Amherst
13.6 — Pomona
13.8 — Claremont McKenna
14.9 — Swarthmore
15.4 — WUSTL
15.5 — Vanderbilt
15.6 — Bowdoin
15.8 — Univ. of Chicago
17.1 — Williams
17.4 — Washington & Lee
17.7 — Middlebury
18.0 — Cornell
18.0 — Northwestern
18.0 — Georgetown
18.3 — Johns Hopkins
18.6 — Rice
19.5 — Harvey Mudd
21.8 — Tufts
22.3 — Vassar
22.8 — USC
23.6 — Wesleyan
24.1 — Notre Dame
24.8 — Tulane
24.9 — Barnard
24.9 — Harverford
25.1 — Davidson
25.3 — UCLA
25.5 — Colorado College
25.6 — NYU
25.9 — Emory
26.8 — Hamilton
26.9 — Bates
27.2 — Bucknell
27.9 — Boston College
29.0 — Colgate
29.1 — Colby
29.4 — UNC Chapel Hill
29.6 — Carleton
29.7 — Oberlin
30.4 — Carnegie Mellon
31.7 — Macalester
31.7 — Richmond
32.1 — George Washington
32.3 — Univ. of Virginia
32.9 — Lehigh
33.1 — Babson
33.2 — Kenyon
33.2 — Connecticut College
33.7 — Univ. of Rochester
34.3 — Northeastern
34.6 — William and Mary
38.0 — SUNY Stony Brook
38.5 — Rensselaer Poly Inst.
38.6 — Brandeis
39.0 — Univ. of Florida
40.0 — Univ. of Conn.
40.2 — SUNY Binghamton
40.3 — Lafayette
41.8 — American
41.8 — Dickinson
41.8 — Skidmore
42.4 — Muhlenberg
42.6 — Villanova
42.9 — SMU
43.4 — College of NJ
44.3 — Grinnell
44.8 — Univ. Maryland CP
45.5 — Smith
45.6 — University of San Diego
45.6 — Univ. of Texas
46.7 — Penn State
47.7 — Boston Univ.
47.9 — Georgia Tech
48.2 — Case Western
48.4 — Emerson
49.8 — Wisconsin
53.4 — Delaware
56.9 — Elon
59.0 — Wheaton
59.2 — Wooster (Ohio)
60.5 — Sarah Lawrence
64.5 — Virginia Tech
66.1 — Purdue
67.2 — Clark
75.5 — Univ. of Iowa
84.3 — Univ. of Colorado</p>

[Schmaltz]

<p>A few years ago there was an obnoxious guy from Northeastern who told everybody on cc that Northeastern was on the rise, and people laughed at him. Now it has a lower admit rate than Brandeis and William and Mary ?!? Are they cooking the books at NU?</p>

[averby]

<p>Well Colgate has been declining quickly. It used to be one of the best, if not the best lac in nyc. Now it’s fallen behind Vassar, Hamilton, and Barnard. Disappointing.</p>

<p>And WUSTL has certainly been a college that is rising. It used to be that the only colleges competing with the Ivies were Stanford, MIT, Duke, CalTech. But now it seems that WUSTL is entering that field.</p>

[japanoko]

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A few years ago there was an obnoxious guy from Northeastern who told everybody on cc that Northeastern was on the rise, and people laughed at him. Now it has a lower admit rate than Brandeis and William and Mary ?!? Are they cooking the books at NU?

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<p>I think more and more people are opening their eyes towards getting involved in a Co-op system while in college and Northeastern has one of the best…</p>

[susgeek]

<p>^^^Colgate is not very close to NYC. It is about a 5 hour drive.</p>

<p>Very interesting list.</p>

[japanoko]

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Well Colgate has been declining quickly. It used to be one of the best, if not the best lac in nyc. Now it’s fallen behind Vassar, Hamilton, and Barnard. Disappointing.

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<p>having a higher acceptance rate does not necessarily mean that it is a worse school. There are many more factors.</p>

[College_Yahoo]

<p>Corrected numbers for NYU</p>

<p>2.9% – Curtis Inst. of Music
5.5 ---- Julliard
6.2 ---- Harvard
6.9 ---- Columbia
7.1 ---- Stanford
7.2 ---- Cooper Union
7.4 ---- Yale
8.4 ---- Princeton
8.7 ---- Brown
9.6 ---- MIT
9.7 ---- Dartmouth
12.0 — Cal Tech
12.3 — Univ. of Penn
12.6 — Duke
12.8 — Amherst
13.6 — Pomona
13.8 — Claremont McKenna
14.9 — Swarthmore
15.4 — WUSTL
15.5 — Vanderbilt
15.6 — Bowdoin
15.8 — Univ. of Chicago
17.1 — Williams
17.4 — Washington & Lee
17.7 — Middlebury
18.0 — Cornell
18.0 — Northwestern
18.0 — Georgetown
18.3 — Johns Hopkins
18.6 — Rice
19.5 — Harvey Mudd
21.8 — Tufts
22.3 — Vassar
22.8 — USC
23.6 — Wesleyan
24.1 — Notre Dame
24.8 — Tulane
24.9 — Barnard
24.9 — Harverford
25.1 — Davidson
25.3 — UCLA
25.5 — Colorado College
25.9 — Emory
26.8 — Hamilton
26.9 — Bates
27.2 — Bucknell
27.9 — Boston College
29.0 — Colgate
29.1 — Colby
29.4 — UNC Chapel Hill
29.6 — Carleton
29.7 — Oberlin
30.4 — Carnegie Mellon
31.7 — Macalester
31.7 — Richmond
32.1 — George Washington
32.3 — Univ. of Virginia
32.9 — Lehigh
33.0 — NYU
33.1 — Babson
33.2 — Kenyon
33.2 — Connecticut College
33.7 — Univ. of Rochester
34.3 — Northeastern
34.6 — William and Mary
38.0 — SUNY Stony Brook
38.5 — Rensselaer Poly Inst.
38.6 — Brandeis
39.0 — Univ. of Florida
40.0 — Univ. of Conn.
40.2 — SUNY Binghamton
40.3 — Lafayette
41.8 — American
41.8 — Dickinson
41.8 — Skidmore
42.4 — Muhlenberg
42.6 — Villanova
42.9 — SMU
43.4 — College of NJ
44.3 — Grinnell
44.8 — Univ. Maryland CP
45.5 — Smith
45.6 — University of San Diego
45.6 — Univ. of Texas
46.7 — Penn State
47.7 — Boston Univ.
47.9 — Georgia Tech
48.2 — Case Western
48.4 — Emerson
49.8 — Wisconsin
53.4 — Delaware
56.9 — Elon
59.0 — Wheaton
59.2 — Wooster (Ohio)
60.5 — Sarah Lawrence
64.5 — Virginia Tech
66.1 — Purdue
67.2 — Clark
75.5 — Univ. of Iowa
84.3 — Univ. of Colorado</p>

<p><a href=“http://nyunews.com/news/2011/04/06/06admissions/[/url]”>http://nyunews.com/news/2011/04/06/06admissions/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[japanoko]

<p>*"NYU’s Office of Admissions announced the university admitted 33 percent of applicants to the Class of 2015 for the Washington Square campus. Of the roughly 41,000 students who applied directly to the campus, 13,731 were accepted.</p>

<p>Since last year, NYU has changed the way it reports its admissions figures. Shawn Abbott, assistant vice president of undergraduate admissions, said this is the first year the university included students admitted to the Liberal Studies Program when determining the school’s overall admissions rate. </p>

<p>The 29 percent of students NYU accepted last year did not include those students accepted into LSP. Excluding LSP admits, the university accepted 26 percent of applicants this year.</p>

<p>“In an effort to be more transparent about students offered admission to the Liberal Studies Program, we have included LSP students in our statistics — in addition to the university’s traditional admit rate to four-year programs,” he said."*</p>

[Numaria]

<p>In reply to Averby’s post,</p>

<p><a href=“Offices, Centers, & Institutes | Colgate University”>Offices, Centers, & Institutes | Colgate University;
[Hamilton</a> College - High School Counselors - Profile: Hamilton Class of 2014](<a href=“http://www.hamilton.edu/admission/counselors/profile]Hamilton”>A Top Liberal Arts College)
<a href=“http://admissions.vassar.edu/pdf/statistics/Vassar-ClassStatistics2014.pdf?refresh[/url]”>http://admissions.vassar.edu/pdf/statistics/Vassar-ClassStatistics2014.pdf?refresh&lt;/a&gt;
[Applying</a> to Barnard | Barnard College](<a href=“http://www.barnard.edu/admissions/apply]Applying”>http://www.barnard.edu/admissions/apply)</p>

<p>From my estimations, it looks like Colgate has slightly better standardized testing results than either Hamilton, Vassar, or Barnard. If you’re planning on looking at this, it will be helpful to know that Colgate’s average ACT for the class of 2014 was a 31.</p>

<p>[Colgate</a> University : Admission Questions](<a href=“http://www.colgate.edu/admission/frequentlyaskedquestions/admissionquestions.html]Colgate”>http://www.colgate.edu/admission/frequentlyaskedquestions/admissionquestions.html)</p>

[xiggi]

<p>^^
Not that it makes any meaningful difference, but the information released by Colgate is a tad positive because of their mixed use of terms </p>

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The average combined SAT score was 1391 (math and critical reading) for the Class of 2014. The middle 50 percent of SAT scores was admitted students fell between 650-740 critical reading, 660-750 math. The average ACT score was 31, with a middle 50 percent of 30-33.

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<p>Here’s a better version, based on the released Common Data Set for the Class of 2014.</p>

<p>The average combined SAT score for the admitted pool to the Class of 2014 was 1391 (math and critical reading) for the Class of 2014. The average combined SAT score for the for the Class of 2014 (enrolled student) could be estimated at 1365. (math and critical reading) </p>

<p>The average ACT score for the admitted class is the middle 50 percent of 29-32. </p>

<p>/semantics</p>

[Mindy]

<p>What are the ED stats for bates 1 and 2? thanks!</p>

[iamghost]

<p>What about the service academies: West Point, Coast Guard Academy, Naval Academy, Air Force Academy, and Merchant Marine Academy? The list is missing these prestigious institutions.</p>

[RML]

<p>Adding data for Berkeley</p>

<p>2.9% – Curtis Inst. of Music
5.5 ---- Julliard
6.2 ---- Harvard
6.9 ---- Columbia
7.1 ---- Stanford
7.2 ---- Cooper Union
7.4 ---- Yale
8.4 ---- Princeton
8.7 ---- Brown
9.6 ---- MIT
9.7 ---- Dartmouth
12.0 — Cal Tech
12.3 — Univ. of Penn
12.6 — Duke
12.8 — Amherst
13.6 — Pomona
13.8 — Claremont McKenna
14.9 — Swarthmore
15.4 — WUSTL
15.5 — Vanderbilt
15.6 — Bowdoin
15.8 — Univ. of Chicago
17.1 — Williams
17.4 — Washington & Lee
17.7 — Middlebury
18.0 — Cornell
18.0 — Northwestern
18.0 — Georgetown
18.3 — Johns Hopkins
18.6 — Rice
19.5 — Harvey Mudd
**21.0 — Berkeley<a href=“30%%20admit%20rate%20for%20OOS%20and%20Int’l%20Students”>/b</a>
21.8 — Tufts
22.3 — Vassar
22.8 — USC
23.6 — Wesleyan
24.1 — Notre Dame
24.8 — Tulane
24.9 — Barnard
24.9 — Harverford
25.1 — Davidson
25.3 — UCLA
25.5 — Colorado College
25.9 — Emory
26.8 — Hamilton
26.9 — Bates
27.2 — Bucknell
27.9 — Boston College
29.0 — Colgate
29.1 — Colby
29.4 — UNC Chapel Hill
29.6 — Carleton
29.7 — Oberlin
30.4 — Carnegie Mellon
31.7 — Macalester
31.7 — Richmond
32.1 — George Washington
32.3 — Univ. of Virginia
32.9 — Lehigh
33.0 — NYU
33.1 — Babson
33.2 — Kenyon
33.2 — Connecticut College
33.7 — Univ. of Rochester
34.3 — Northeastern
34.6 — William and Mary
38.0 — SUNY Stony Brook
38.5 — Rensselaer Poly Inst.
38.6 — Brandeis
39.0 — Univ. of Florida
40.0 — Univ. of Conn.
40.2 — SUNY Binghamton
40.3 — Lafayette
41.8 — American
41.8 — Dickinson
41.8 — Skidmore
42.4 — Muhlenberg
42.6 — Villanova
42.9 — SMU
43.4 — College of NJ
44.3 — Grinnell
44.8 — Univ. Maryland CP
45.5 — Smith
45.6 — University of San Diego
45.6 — Univ. of Texas
46.7 — Penn State
47.7 — Boston Univ.
47.9 — Georgia Tech
48.2 — Case Western
48.4 — Emerson
49.8 — Wisconsin
53.4 — Delaware
56.9 — Elon
59.0 — Wheaton
59.2 — Wooster (Ohio)
60.5 — Sarah Lawrence
64.5 — Virginia Tech
66.1 — Purdue
67.2 — Clark
75.5 — Univ. of Iowa
84.3 — Univ. of Colorado</p>

<p>[Campus</a> releases 2011-12 admissions data](<a href=“http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2011/04/18/campus-releases-2011-12-admissions-data/]Campus”>Campus releases 2011-12 admissions data | Berkeley News)</p>