<p>davygravy- not sure anyone is dissing USMMA, or discrediting Kings Point in any way_ perhaps just trying to understand the sometimes subtle differences between each institution, the obligations associated with each, and where each leads in terms of career choices.</p>
<p>So perhaps not such a waste in key strokes afterall, especially for those making a choice between the different options available, especially from USMMA where the choices are many!</p>
<p>davygravy, it's called quibbling. ;) </p>
<p>definitions of military ...
1 a: of or relating to soldiers, arms, or war b: of or relating to armed forces; especially : of or relating to ground or sometimes ground and air forces as opposed to naval forces
2 a: performed or made by armed forces b: supported by armed force
3: of or relating to the army</p>
<p>According to Daniel W., seems even the USNA (at least SWO and submariners), USAFA, Coasties, and Merchant Mariners may not count.</p>
<p>And for perhaps the only time this fall ... ARMY beats NAVY! :confused:</p>
<p>(Don't worry Navy fans, it's only a spelling bee! :cool: Come December, we'll see who wins the war, right? )</p>
<p>All three episodes of "Inside America's Military Academies" air tonight on the military channel starting at 8 pm (East Coast time). Repeats are frequent this week - maybe I will finally get to see this 1999 documentary series.</p>
<p>Let's hope so. Veep2B Sarah Palin and Mayor Rudy G. may be a deterrent to seeing some of this tonite. :)</p>
<p>Not to hijack, but wasn't Fred Thompson's oratorical painting of Senator McCain outstanding! And ESPECIALLY his portrait of the amazing men and women that have helped to shape McCain's life and character via USNA and beyond! Like him or otherwise, it's suicide to debate his convictions, tenacity, toughness, and character. All "they" got is ..."hey, he's W's pal." Seems some of there's appreciate him too. Let's hope so.</p>
<p>Even the recollection of his one-time pole-dancing femme fatale was captivating. :cool:</p>
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<p>Now this is how unsubstantiated rumors get started. I can personally attest that there were no dance poles at Trader Jons.</p>
<p>"WE WANT THE TRUTH!" :eek:</p>
<p>And even if we can't handle it ... do tell, c'mon! We're ALL ears ... :cool:</p>
<p>This may be a bit off subject (and common knowledge to some here) but after reading the above postings talking about the USMMA and "para-military" personnel... I was scrolling through the day’s news and noticed an article about the recent deployment of the USS Mount Whitney to Georgia.</p>
<p>I was curious about the ship and looked it up. Apparently it serves as the Command Ship for Commander, SIXTH Fleet/ Commander, Joint Command Lisbon/Commander, Striking Force NATO and has a complement of 150 enlisted personnel, 12 officers and ……….150 Civilian Mariners.</p>
<p>As an interesting excercise: since this documentary was made 10 years ago, there is a a lot of information on the "kids" that were featured. Google search some of the names, and it's interesting to see who graduated and who did not. Some are still living their dreams other had their dreams turn into a nightmare, but perservered to clear their name. Most are somewhere in between and living productive lives.</p>
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<p>Is this an attempt to see through my thin veiled attempt at salvaging Ens McCain's honor? Or a true academic interest in the history of strippers?</p>
<p>From pure academic research, strippers in the '60s were more like the burlesque bump and grind routines we relate to the old carnivals and the 30s burlesque shows. (And a USNA rite of passage was a trip to East Baltimore Street to see Blaze Starr) I think Rowan and Martin's Laugh In was probably the primary cause for a modernization in the '70s. Younger more attractive dancers dancing to modern songs. Pole dancing did not become popular until probably the '90s. There were dancers at Trader Jons but there were no poles. And most of them were from the country of South Alabama and the polite ones carried switchblades. The more experienced {seasoned} carried handguns. And for a 22 yr old, they were all well seasoned.</p>
<p>Trader Jons was THE aviator hangout in P'cola from the 60's through the '90s. Jon passed away and I think the bar has been moved intact to one of the museums down there. Some helo pilot bought it and tried to make a go of it but the political correctness of the 21st century killed it. Also Jon was definitely the driving force. A real character. </p>
<p>I never spent a lot of time at Trader Jons. A friend of mine out of '68 rented an old decrepit hole in the wall out at the beach and stopped by the package store every Friday afternoon and loaded up his car with beer and started Dirty Joes. We made history by stupidly riding out Hurricane Camille there. Anyway that was my hangout. A lot more girls there.</p>
<p>Oh I remember Camille!!!! Cat 5. Left Kessler AFB in Biloxi the day it hit and ran north at 60MPH. Ride it out! Ah the stupidity of youth. Gulf Shores was great in those days but you had to put up with the Fort Rucker guys.</p>
<p>You haven't lived until you show up the morning after and you cannot get into the apartment which contains both your new bride and your mom due to falling tree across the front door. Mom forgave me. The ex wife didn't.</p>
<p>Gulf Shores disappeared that weekend.</p>
<p>WP</p>
<p>In those days there was "cage dancing" or "platform dancing". I don't remember seeing any poles and New Orleans at that time had it all.</p>
<p>Oh, to be fly on the wall at Dirty Joe's...before and during Camille.</p>
<p>To be a fly on the wall outside any main gate at any time.</p>
<p>What? There is no way life is as wild today as it was back in the day. haha</p>
<p>Yeah. Right!!!</p>
<p>My poor baby! What is he in for? Of course he is in the Army and they are MUCH better behaved than you Navy folks.</p>
<p>Ah . . . the good ol' days.
I was once sent to arrest a guy who was known to hang out in strip bars. This would have been the early 80s. Poles were in place at that time and I remember the song to this day. Rod Stewart's "Do you think I'm sexy?"
A little later in the 80s, the mid-80s, in NY, the bars definitely had poles.</p>
<p>Anyway, my partner was an italian fellow, we looked in every strip bar we could find. Probably more than we should have . . . but we got lots of attention from the girls.</p>
<p>I do remember visiting a few places in the late 70s that did not have poles; as I recall the girls danced on platforms behind the bar.</p>
<p>So, I think poles came into fashion about 1980.</p>
<p>Oh my, only on the Naval Academy forum would the history of pole dancing be discussed. wow. just wow. ;)</p>
<p>I was wondering who'd give me the credit ...when credit's REALLY due!!! :cool:</p>
<p>Now ... one more point ...for extra credit ...</p>
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<p>The issue's not behavior, better or otherwise, it's about natural resources and deprivation and ... :confused:</p>