Interested in College Resources: Ranking of College Wealth (Per Student)

<p>Endowment (in billions of $) and Endowment Per Student (in millions of $) at Leading Private Research Universities and Annual Payout Per Student Assuming a 4% Payout Rule (in dollars). </p>

<li>Princeton $8.4 $1.309 $52, 360 </li>
<li>Harvard $18.8 $1.051 $42,040 </li>
<li>Yale $10.1 $ .927 $37,080 </li>
<li>Rice $3.4 $ .800 $32,000 </li>
<li>MIT $6.5 $ .666 $26,640 </li>
<li>Stanford $8.6 $ .658 $26,320 </li>
<li>Emory $5.0 $ .486 $19.440 </li>
<li>Dartmouth $2.5 $ .477 $19,080 </li>
<li>Wash. U. $4.2 $ .411 $16,440 </li>
<li>Chicago $3.8 $ .342 $13,680 </li>
<li>Vandblt. $2.3 $ .240 $ 9,600 </li>
<li>Duke $2.6 $ .239 $ 9,560 </li>
<li>Northw. $3.4 $ .224 $ 8,960 </li>
<li>Columbia $4.3 $ .219 $ 8,760 </li>
<li>Brown $1.4 $ .188 $ 7,520 </li>
<li>Cornell $3.4 $ .181 $ 7,240 </li>
<li>Rochester $1.3 $ .176 $ 7,040 </li>
<li>Penn. $3.2 $ .162 $ 6,480 </li>
<li>John Hop. $1.8 $ .159 $ 6,</li>
</ol>

<p>*Dated (June 30, 2000), but still fairly accurate.</p>

<p>Suprise, Suprise! Princeton is #1!</p>

<p>Alphacdcd, enough. Everyone on this message board realizes P is a wonderful institution. It's probably most/many CC'ers top choice. It's not necessary to make posts constantly about how great P, especially with your thread about why students choose Princeton.</p>

<p>Stop being so insecure. If I were to eliminate rankings where Princeton appeared at or near the top, there would be a great deal of useful information kept from people. Knowledge of a school's resources or ability to fund resources is an important point in selecting a school. Don't you agree?</p>

<p>I have published many polls where Princeton is not #1 (eg. Atlantic Monthly, Consus, etc.). The school is of the highest quality, so you're going to see it alot in all places where quality is measured. Get used to it. It is not going to disappear from the rankings. There is nothing you or I can do about that. In fact, your time may be well spent studying what makes Princeton so highly thought of. Knowledge of those qualities may help you decide which school to choose from among your own list of possibilities. "You learn from the best, not from the worst".</p>

<p>wow, rice is fourth... i did not expect that. but then again, it makes perfect sense b/c their tuition is way lower than typical top schools.</p>

<p>Wow, I am a really bad typer. I just reread my message and realized that I mispelled surprise. <em>hides in corner</em></p>

<p>OMG, practically all of your posts are about how great P-ton is. Just read your own profile. You act like you are posting this just to inform people, but you're not. Btw, how many rankings have you published where P-ton is not at the top?</p>

<p>Why not try "need-based financial assistance per student attending"? For all the noise Princeton makes, and despite its huge endowment, it doesn't make it in the top 20.</p>

<p>Even in this very small sampling, it doesn't break the top 10: (and it is even worse, actually, given that Princeton claims to give no merit-based aid, as many of the others ahead of it do):</p>

<ol>
<li>Mount Holyoke - $12,792</li>
<li>Reed - $12,683</li>
<li>Oberlin - $12,262</li>
<li>Smith - $12,013</li>
<li>Amherst – 10,925</li>
<li>Macalester - $10,764</li>
<li>Swarthmore - $10,595</li>
<li>Grinnell - $10,020</li>
<li>Hamilton - $9,795</li>
<li>Harvard - $9,527</li>
<li>MIT - $9,316</li>
<li>Princeton - $9,164</li>
<li>Stanford - $8,660</li>
<li>Bowdoin - $8,649</li>
<li>Williams - $8,560</li>
<li>Yale - $8,370</li>
<li>Dartmouth – 8,132</li>
<li>Middlebury - $8,085</li>
<li>Haverford - $8,079</li>
<li>Colby - $7,638</li>
<li>Bates - $7,535</li>
<li>Washington & Lee - $6,279</li>
<li>Northwestern - $6,237</li>
<li>Davidson - $6,160</li>
</ol>

<p>They may have all that money, but when it comes to students, they aren't spending it on financial aid.</p>

<p>And many of your posts are extremely critical of Harvard. Seems that you have some jealousy issues.</p>

<p>Yes tau-, Emory and Rice are the big surprises for many. Huge endowments for such small schools. This explains many of the onsite perks you see at both schools.</p>

<p>"And many of your posts are extremely critical of Harvard. Seems that you have some jealousy issues."</p>

<p>(actually, I like Harvard quite alot! and in many different ways - I just think they shouldn't handicap their students by not exposing them to significant numbers that are poorer than themselves. The President of Harvard Larry Summers publicly agrees with me. Anyhow, Harvard does better on this index than Princeton, and much better than Yale.)</p>

<p>Mini - FYI None of the IVYs give merit aid. NONE.<br>
All IVY aid is need based.</p>

<p>P.S. I have noticed your feeble attempts to debate me Mini on IVY issues. As usual, your facts are wrong. Rather than spend time attacking the messenger, I suggest you spend time studying the merits of the message.</p>

<p>I really don't think many people use wealth of college per student when choosing a college</p>

<p>Go in, in April, tell 'em you've got a better offer from Harvard, and watch your "need" magically increase. (But, anyhow, that was my point - Princeton would rank even lower in total institutional aid per student.)</p>

<p>This comes from US News Mini. Princeton uses its endowment for need. It has eliminated student loans all together. Do I get an apology? </p>

<p>(USN&WR) but at least theyre (verifiable) stats:</p>

<p>Least Debt: National Universities</p>

<p>School % of grads with debt. Average amount of debt.</p>

<p>Princeton University (NJ) 25% $6,500
University of Texas–El Paso * 40% $7,704
California Institute of Technology 49% $7,906
Harvard University (MA) 51% $8,830
N.M. Inst. of Mining and Tech. * 42% $9,161
Clark Atlanta University 67% $10,808
University of South Alabama * 71% $11,000
Univ. of Southern Mississippi * 61% $11,202
Brigham Young Univ.–Provo (UT) 39% $11,301
Utah State University * 47% $11,500
U. of North Carolina–Chapel Hill * 24% $11,519
University of Alaska–Fairbanks * 50% $11,623
University of Utah * 42% $12,400
Southern Illinois U.–Carbondale * 37% $12,413
University of Texas–Dallas * 49% $12,605
Michigan Technological University * 56% $12,775
University of Central Florida * 36% $12,780
Univ. of California–Los Angeles * 44% $12,830
University of Texas–Arlington * 47% $12,934
Rice University (TX) 40% $12,942
San Diego State University * 47% $13,000
Univ. of California–Santa Cruz * 54% $13,116
University of Georgia * 47% $13,193
Johns Hopkins University (MD) 46% $13,300
Univ. of California–Riverside * 72% $13,414
University of Virginia * 31% $13,522
University of Hawaii–Manoa * 29% $13,707
University of Florida * 42% $13,744
Illinois State University * 59% $13,780
University of Delaware * 33% $13,806
University of Nevada–Las Vegas * 36% $13,860
University of Houston * 30% $13,961
Univ. of Maryland–College Park * 34% $14,076
Stevens Institute of Technology (NJ) 68% $14,113
Texas Woman's University * 16% $14,173
Univ. of California–San Diego * 54% $14,192
George Mason University (VA)* 42% $14,215
Louisiana Tech University * 37% $14,306
SUNY–Stony Brook * 50% $14,427
University of Illinois–Chicago * 39% $14,439
University of Louisville (KY)* 39% $14,498
U. of Maryland–Baltimore County * 29% $14,500
University of Rhode Island * 58% $14,500
SUNY–Binghamton * 61% $14,531
University of Tulsa (OK) 64% $14,546
New Jersey Inst. of Technology * 50% $14,600
Rutgers–Newark (NJ)* 73% $14,757
University of Washington * 50% $14,760
Ohio State University–Columbus * 47% $14,869
Tufts University (MA) 40% $14,925
Rutgers–New Brunswick (NJ)* 56% $15,018
U. of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign * 45% $15,100
Clemson University (SC)* 42% $15,125
Northwestern University (IL) 50% $15,136
University of Wyoming * 44% $15,250
Univ. of Massachusetts–Lowell * 67% $15,258
Univ. of Massachusetts–Amherst * 65% $15,374
Duquesne University (PA) 72% $15,437
University of North Texas * 43% $15,466
Univ. of Missouri–Kansas City * 80% $15,714
Texas Tech University * 56% $15,780
Central Michigan University * 63% $15,872
Univ. of Missouri–St. Louis * 62% $15,958
University of Nevada–Reno * 45% $16,000
University of Colorado–Boulder * 44% $16,002
Brown University (RI) 36% $16,040
Stanford University (CA) 44% $16,045
Colorado State University * 55% $16,075
Columbia University (NY) 41% $16,085
Western Michigan University * 46% $16,100
Univ. of South Carolina–Columbia * 71% $16,105
Loyola University Chicago 55% $16,168
Oklahoma State University * 54% $16,268
Ohio University * 49% $16,307
University of California–Berkeley * 33% $16,354
Univ. of Nebraska–Lincoln * 72% $16,376
Univ. of Wisconsin–Madison * 43% $16,395
University at Buffalo–SUNY * 70% $16,418
Alliant International University (CA) 42% $16,500
Texas A&M Univ.–College Station * 34% $16,500
University of Texas–Austin * 37% $16,500
Georgia Institute of Technology * 47% $16,576
University of Kentucky * 57% $16,584
Fordham University (NY) 66% $16,590
Purdue Univ.–West Lafayette (IN)* 50% $16,641
Yeshiva University (NY) 49% $16,642
University of Colorado–Denver * 40% $16,644
South Dakota State University * 80% $16,660
SUNY–Albany * 69% $16,700
Old Dominion University (VA)* 80% $16,750
University of Iowa * 59% $16,750
Seton Hall University (NJ) 69% $16,763
Lehigh University (PA) 52% $16,774
University of Arizona * 42% $16,881
Texas A&M University–Commerce * 60% $16,892
North Carolina State U.–Raleigh * 38% $16,897
Yale University (CT) 39% $16,911
Dartmouth College (NH) 51% $16,922
U. of North Carolina–Greensboro * 48% $16,942
University of South Florida * 50% $16,969
Ball State University (IN)*</p>

<p>Mini pay close attention to this quote below: "Princeton was the first university to implement such a "no-loan" financial aid policy in 2001".</p>

<p>Are you woman enough to render an apology or will you hide (as usual)?</p>

<p>Princeton University, located in Princeton, New Jersey Quick Summary:
Quick Summary not found for this subjectPrinceton, New Jersey, is one of the eight Ivy League Quick Summary:
A league of universities and colleges in the northeastern United States that have a reputation for scholastic achievement and social prestigeIvy League universities. Widely considered one of the world's most prestigious universities, it was founded as the "College of New Jersey" in 1746, and was originally located in Elizabeth, New Jersey Quick Summary:
Quick Summary not found for this subjectElizabeth, New Jersey. The school moved to Princeton in 1756, still under its original name. The name was officially changed to "Princeton University" in 1896. While originally a Presbyterian institution, the university is now non-sectarian and makes no religious demands on its students.</p>

<p>About Princeton</p>

<hr>

<p>The university offers two main undergraduate degrees: the bachelor of arts (A.B.) and the bachelor of science in engineering (B.S.E.). Courses in the humanities are traditionally either seminars or semi-weekly lectures with an additional discussion seminar, called a "precept" (short for "preceptorial"). This system was instituted by Woodrow Wilson Quick Summary:
28th President of the United States; led the United States in World War I and secured the formation of the League of Nations (1856-1924)Woodrow Wilson, when he served as university president. To graduate, all A.B. candidates must complete a senior thesis and one or two extensive pieces of independent research, known as "junior papers" or "JPs". They must also fulfill a two semester foreign language requirement. B.S.E candidates follow a different track that includes a rigorous science and math curriculum and at least two semesters of independent research.</p>

<p>Princeton offers postgraduate research degrees (most notably the Ph.D.), but it does not have the extensive range of professional postgraduate schools of many other universities - for example, there is no law or business school. Its most famous professional school is the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs Quick Summary:
Quick Summary not found for this subjectWoodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, founded in 1930 as the School of Public and International Affairs and renamed in 1948. The university also offers graduate degrees in engineering and architecture.</p>

<p>The university's libraries have 11 million holdings, and the main university library, Firestone Library, houses over six million volumes. In addition to Firestone Library, many individual disciplines have their own libraries, including architecture, art history, East Asian studies, engineering, geology, international affairs and public policy, and Near Eastern studies. Traditionally, each senior is given an enclosed carrel in the library for private use and the storage of books and research materials.</p>

<p>Students at Princeton University agree to conform to an academic honesty policy called the Honor Code. This requires students to write a pledge on all written assignments which asserts that they have neither plagiarized Quick Summary:
Quick Summary not found for this subjectplagiarized their work nor committed any other breach of ethics. Signing the pledge indicates the understanding of the "two-fold responsibility" of the code: to observe the code oneself, and to report possible violations of other students. As a result of this code, students take all tests unsupervised by faculty members. Violations of the Honor Code incur the strongest of disciplinary action, including suspension and often expulsion. Impressively, such action is rarely needed despite the absence of test supervision.</p>

<p>Nassau Hall, the University's oldest building. Note the tiger sculptures beside the steps.</p>

<p>The campus, located on 2 km² of lavishly landscaped grounds, features a large number of gothic Quick Summary:
A style of architecture developed in northern France that spread throughout Europe between the 12th and 16th centuries; characterized by slender vertical piers and counterbalancing buttresses and by vaulting and pointed archesgothic-style buildings, most dating from the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The main university administration building, Nassau Hall, was built in 1756 and briefly served as the United States Capitol Quick Summary:
Quick Summary not found for this subjectUnited States Capitol in 1783. Contemporary additions to the campus feature some more modern architecture, including buildings by Robert Venturi Quick Summary:
United States architect (born in 1925)Robert Venturi and the Hillier Group, and new buildings by Demetri Porphyrios Quick Summary:
Quick Summary not found for this subjectDemetri Porphyrios and Frank Gehry Quick Summary:
Quick Summary not found for this subjectFrank Gehry. Much sculpture Quick Summary:
A three-dimensional work of plastic artsculpture adorns the campus, including pieces by Henry Moore Quick Summary:
British sculptor whose works are monumental organic forms (1898-1986)Henry Moore (Oval with Points, also nicknamed "Nixon Quick Summary:
Vice President under Eisenhower and 37th President of the United States; resigned after the Watergate scandal in 1974 (1913-1994)Nixon's Nose"), Clement Meadmoore (Upstart II), and Alexander Calder Quick Summary:
United States sculptor who first created mobiles and stabiles (1898-1976)Alexander Calder (Five Disks: One Empty). At the base of campus is the Delaware and Raritan Canal, dating from 1830, and Lake Carnegie, used for rowing.</p>

<p>Princeton is among the wealthiest universities in the world, with an endowment of almost ten billion US dollars sustained through the continued donations of its alumni and maintained by expert investment advisors. Some of Princeton's wealth is invested in its impressive art museum, which features works by Monet and Andy Warhol Quick Summary:
United States artist who was a leader of the pop art movement (1930-1987)Andy Warhol, among other prominent artists.</p>

<p>Most of the student body lives on campus in dormitories. Freshmen and sophomores live in residential colleges Quick Summary:
Quick Summary not found for this subjectresidential colleges. Later-year students have the option to live off-campus, but few do, as rents and real estate in the Princeton area are extremely high. Undergraduate social life revolves around a number of coeducational "eating clubs Quick Summary:
Quick Summary not found for this subjecteating clubs" which are open to upperclassmen and serve a similar role to that which fraternities and sororities do at other campuses.</p>

<p>Admission is extremely competitive, and according to The Atlantic Monthly, it is the second most selective college in the United States, after MIT Quick Summary:
An engineering university in CambridgeMIT. Princeton has a "need-blind" admission policy, in which students are accepted into the incoming class on merit, regardless of their ability to pay the high tutition fees. Unlike other universities which ask students to take on the heavy burden of student loans, Princeton simply pays the remainder of costs the student's family cannot afford through grants from its endowment. Princeton was the first university to implement such a "no-loan" financial aid policy in 2001. Despite these policies, Princeton's student body, as a group, is generally regarded as more culturally conservative or traditional than the student bodies of peer institutions. However, most students have voted Democratic in presidential elections.</p>

<p>Mini, rather than read the whole thing, I thought I would shorten it for you. The essential financial aid point is as follows:</p>

<p>"Princeton has a "need-blind" admission policy, in which students are accepted into the incoming class on merit, regardless of their ability to pay the high tutition fees. Unlike other universities which ask students to take on the heavy burden of student loans, Princeton simply pays the remainder of costs the student's family cannot afford through grants from its endowment. Princeton was the first university to implement such a "no-loan" financial aid policy in 2001. Despite these policies, Princeton's student body, as a group, is generally regarded as more culturally conservative or traditional than the student bodies of peer institutions. However, most students have voted Democratic in presidential elections."</p>

<p>Will I be getting an apology?</p>

<p>Hoo, this is why this information (when it is in correct form) can be so helpful.
It is also one of the reasons I admire Princeton so much.</p>

<p>Alphadcd - you have just quadruple posted just so you could demand an apology from mini over and over again. You're like a goddamn bill collector or something. Oh and thanks for copy and pasting the Princeton Review description of Princeton U - next time I can't fall asleep at night for needing to find out about Princeton University, I'll know to come to this thread and read your insightful post rather than wasting my time actually looking it up on PR. Here's a news flash for you: nobody gives a damn about what you think of Princeton. Yes, it's a good school. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT. You're not going to change anyone's opinion of Princeton by posting stupid surveys that have already been seen by everyone about twenty times. People that were going to apply to Princeton are still going to apply to Princeton, and people that weren't going to apply to Princeton, are still not going to give a damn. And anyone whose opinion of a school does a 180 on the basis of an outdated endowment list isn't worth the effort it takes to make this post. I don't think mini owes you an apology. I think you owe CC the favor of shutting up for once.</p>

<p>Xanatos, Sorry, but I felt like I was dealing with Byerly (and I know you are all to familiar with that subject). One only need to venture over to the Dartmouth thread to see your many postings. They never bothered me because I knew you were right.
Mini was printing misinformation in much the same way Byerly does, and seeing that bothers me (as I know from the Dartmouth thread, it bothers you as well). I am not preaching Princeton. The results of the last poll I produced were a mystery to me. I quickly googled the information to correct her misinformation because I knew it was wrong.
Princeton keeps coming up because Princeton is that good. Enough said.</p>

<p>P.S. The summary came from absoluteastronomy.com not PR. Go figure!</p>

<p>You bring up Byerly...this is fair. However, keep in mind that when I (and other Dartmouth forum people) get mad at Byerly, it's for much the same reasons...because he makes posts that appear innocuous and innocently informative on the fair but are in fact thinly veiled pitches for Harvard.</p>