<p>As long as there's a SLE thread going...</p>
<p>Is it true that you have to submit a separate application for FroSoCo that includes an essay?</p>
<p>What are the advantages to staying here instead of in an all-frosh dorm?</p>
<p>yes, you do have to apply for FroSoCo and write an essay</p>
<p>if anyone of the frosoco kids are lurking around here...can u give us an honest opinion regarding the advantages/disadvantages of being in frosoco?</p>
<p>I've heard from someone at Stanford that FroSoCo is really nerdy. Is this true?</p>
<p>^ no, definitely not. I stayed there for Admit weekend, and the people there are not nerdy at all. they're really fun! :)</p>
<p>Can you please give me some more detail regarding the FroSoCo application?</p>
<p>If any of you are hot girls, please apply to FroSoCo!!!! LOL just kidding.</p>
<p>I have officially crossed SLE off my list (mainly because of the heavy amount of reading and similarities to IB Theory of Knowledge, which I totally despised). I am now officially considering FroSoCo... so please, SHARE ANY INFO YOU HAVE! I'm not really the rowdy partying type, but I'm not a nerdish bookworm either. Ah, all this housing stuff is driving me crazy!</p>
<p>oh no dreamsicle!! NOOOOOO. Do SLE. What's wrong with IB Theory of Knowledge?</p>
<p>Yes, it's true... TOK made me have nightmares in my sleep. So TOK was supposed to make all of us better critical thinkers. It centered on the question, "What can we know?" and was supposed to teach us to evaluate our knowledge and reach a "truer" knowledge, so to speak. But the whole course was awfully pretentious; we sat around talking about the fallacies of human knowledge, and I just couldn't stand it. Ugh. No more upper-class, Western philosophy for me! Even the "Eastern" philosophy that we talked about was presented in a terribly skewed light. I just don't think I can stand any more of that "Why are we here?" and "What do we know really?" kind of stuff anymore.</p>
<p>Another reason I decided not to do SLE is because I don't think I would have enough time for all my music classes. I just don't want to be in way over my head freshman year.</p>
<p>Dreamsicle is right! TOK (Theory of Knowledge) was horrible. We spent the whole time debating about knowledge, existence, human experience, numenal and phenomenal worlds, and all that crap. Basically, it was an endless array of pretentious questions that never led to anything. Unfortunately, I smell too much IB TOK in SLE. Also, IHUMs are a lot more indepth and concrete than the SLE course!</p>
<p>This is interesting. Initially, I considered FroSoCo to be my only choice. Then, I decided I was definitely doing SLE. But THEN I started to think that SLE just centers too heavily on philosophy and is going to attract a lot of really aggressive debaters who sit around and mutter over psychobabble (not me). So I feel like I'm back to FroSoCo. But then again, I liked SLE's close relationships with professors, the way it filled requirements, the emphasis on literature, but I'm just weary of the discussions. Any thoughts?</p>
<p>I suppose I'm one of those "really aggressive debaters" who will be doing SLE next year. By that I mean I did debate team and JSA in high school. I'm not that loud in class though. Frankly, the arguments and discussions I think are the most attractive part of SLE. I've seen too many "discussions" over ideas in high schools and would like to see passionate debate once in awhile. </p>
<p>SLE I think is an EXCELLENT preparation for the next three years in college. It will give a comprehensive background in literature and high-level writing that IHUM doesn't.</p>
<p>Haah, the aggressive debaters aren't a bad thing at all.</p>
<p>Actually, you're lucky - SLE people only write 2 or 3 three-ish page papers a quarter. It's not that much writing. Although the literature background sounds excellent.</p>
<p>Does anyone else agree with me that SLE is going to be intensive philosophical debate that would bore them to tears? They try to cover it up with this "interdisciplinary" lable, but I feel like it's only tangentially related to history and the typical lit course (things I like). But I sooo heavily considered it.</p>
<p>paulhomework - are you applying for frosoco?</p>
<p>Seconded on the "high school discussions," zephyr -- having some lively debates between people who actually want to be there would be sooo nice. I'm sick of limp, uninteresting discussions that are only held for participation points. So the ability to discuss/argue/whatever is definitely an attraction to SLE, as is my impression that it's more comprehensive than a lot of the other IHums...</p>
<p>As for just being tangentially related to other disciplines, the director of the program IS a professor in the history department. Plus, the fact that they make you produce plays and watch movies, AND the ease with which philosophy and literature go hand in hand, make me think that it's not all going to be "psychobabble" philosophical debate.</p>
<p>--So as you can see, I'm really interested in SLE right now. Anybody have anything specific to say about FroSoCo that'll change my mind? 'Cause I don't really know all that much about it.</p>
<p>I don't think any of us know very much about FroSoCo... cmon, current members-- convince us to join!</p>
<p>here's what a guy on CC who's gonna be in FroSoCo next year told me: </p>
<p>Hey Cardinal. I didn't get into FroSoCo as a freshman because I listed it as my second choice. So for my freshman year I lived (and still do for one more week) in a dorm called Okada. It's a very quiet place and personally I don't like it that much. I am going to be living in FroSoCo next year as a sophomore, and I'm really excited about it. The rooms in FroSoCo are among the biggest on the Stanford campus. From what I've heard from my good friends who lived there, FroSoCo has a really tight knit community and is very social. Stanford is a very priviledged place, but FroSoCo is like an extra layer of priviledge on top of that. Since it is a "college," you get special academic programming within the dorm (you don't have to participate if you don't want to). They basically give you so many opportunities to turn residential life into a place of community and learning. In addition, Dean Bravman gives a barbeques on fridays, and being in FroSoCo might be a good place to get to know him and other professors if you are so inclined. </p>
<p>But in order to let you make an informed decision, I should probably let you know about some potential drawbacks. FroSoCo is on West Campus, and is kinda far away from the main campus. Many people live on East Campus, and it might be hard to visit them. However, since everyone rides a bike the distance doesn't really matter. </p>
<p>Other than the distance, I can't really find anything wrong about FroSoCo. If I could apply for housing as a freshman all over again, I would have definitely chosen FroSoCo as my top realistic choice. The only dorm I would have chosen over FroSoCo is an all frosh-dorm called Branner. However, they don't let you individually choose Branner as a freshman. You can only be randomly assigned to Branner if you list all-frosh as one of your choices, and the chances of getting into Branner is not only based upon pure luck but is also very slim. Therefore, I recommend FroSoCo without any reservation! </p>
<p>If you need me to explain any of the other choices on your freshman housing application (like SLE which I suggest you stay FAR AWAY FROM), feel free to PM me </p>
<p>hope that helped.</p>
<p>Hey, SLE kids. I meant nothing bad by what I said about it. As I mentioned, it sounds cool and I would seriously consider it. I'm just not sure I can have an intense debate about "what is knowledge" and the like. I prefer more casual discussions. It sounds cool though!</p>