Interested in Social Sciences, Bowdoin, Haverford or Wesleyan?

<p>Luckily I am admitted by these 3 wonderful colleges. All of them are academically strong and because I am an international student in China I am not able to visit any of them. I am have a tough time making a final decision@@ Need current students’ help!</p>

<p>Here is my thougths so far:</p>

<p>Bowdoin’s government and legal major is the strongest among these 3 colleges, as far as I know. Maine’s long winter is a problem but also an interesting challenge of living in a totally different environment(actually how long is the winter in Maine?) The relatively quiet atmosphere is appealing to me, too. Then I thought Bowdoin is not a party school but after reading some threads it seems I was wrong. Not that I am a maverick but I prefer a college that is at least normal(kinda rare in America? Wesleyan is wild I know… talk about it later)</p>

<p>Wesleyan: Feeling nothing particular about Wesleyan except her College of Social Studies, a multi-disciplinary program in social sciences, ideal place for me(don’t know if any interdisciplinary major can do the same). But Wesleyan’s social scene is…wild! Don’t know if I can bear it(I like the liberal atmosphere though).</p>

<p>Haverford: Not very popular in China(few Chinese students in Haverford too). Her honor code is a new and attractive experience to me and the whole college is somehow warm and homey, I just feel it. Her academic is generally strong but no major or program I regard as exceptionally interesting.</p>

<p>Please correct me if any of my understanding is improper. Hungry for current students’ reviews!</p>

<p>I don’t know what you mean by a new honor code in Haverford, but all three of these schools have honor codes - in fact most good schools in the world probably have honor codes.</p>

<p>also, multi-disciplinary studies are possible (as far as I know), at any of these schools. </p>

<p>Inter-disciplinary majors are something you can do at Bowdoin (design your own major), so you can be a Government & Legal Studies major and do a concentration on Middle Eastern Politics, or Asian Political Economies, whatever you like. I heard a student do that and I am planning on doing it too</p>

<p>Thks very much. Haverford’s honor code is more into daily life I think.
CSS is an independent college, “Only CSS students take CSS courses”. Just don’t know how far can Inter-disciplinary majors go. CSS is a specially designed major but interdisciplinary major is like piecing different courses up and assemble a new major.</p>

<p>i assume you know already that bowdoin is more highly regarded than haverford or wesleyan by rankings/graduate schools/companies that recruit</p>

<p>Bowdoin had a very long acceptance rate this year. Around 15% acceptance rate.</p>

<p>There is a good amount of international students here from Asia, but not so many that they create their own clique and don’t assimilate or learn from the culture here. </p>

<p>There is also a good amount of Asian-Americans (13%), which is growing every year. I myself am a Chinese-American student at Bowdoin.</p>

<p>The winter here lasts from December to early April. But winter is BEAUTIFUL and there are so many outdoor activities to partake in. Also (depending on where you are in China) you may not have experienced winter or snow, and it would be a new experience. So this would be your chance. </p>

<p>Also, Bowdoin is being recognized at these times as one of the more racially diverse liberal arts schools. It has made it an initiative to become more diverse and becomes more and more diverse each year. </p>

<p>Bowdoin is also very historic and the government program here is one of the strongest among top LACs. I think there was a ranking by the London School of Economics or some other organizations in Europe that placed Bowdoin at the top in this field in the world for a school of its size. </p>

<p>Bowdoin also has a summer-campy feel to it. There’s a warm feeling and it can be like being at camp for four years. Life is very comfortable (spectacular food, beautiful dorms, the outdoors, healthy atmosphere) and there is a strong community. Wherever I go on campus, I know the people around me. I may know 30% by name but much of the rest I recognize by their faces. </p>

<p>Also at Bowdoin students work very hard. But they also like to party and have fun. This is because during the week they work very hard and need to blow steam on the weekends. There are no fraternities or sororities on campus but “social houses” which have replaced them. These are like the frats/sororities but without the exclusivity. College parties are open to ALL and people of all different backgrounds feel welcome to them. </p>

<p>Usually Bowdoin students are very well rounded. They work hard but they don’t discuss their grades constantly or their GPA. They don’t stress out (well not publicly) and are able to maintain their composure in the face of adversity. They basically hold themselves well.</p>

<p>I don’t know if this was well written or if it answered what you were looking for. It was basically my ramble before I went back to study …</p>

<p>Hi doyouhow,</p>

<p>Congratulations on your acceptances!</p>

<p>It is unfortunate, but certainly understandable, that you cannot visit the schools that you are deciding among. If there is any possibility for you to contact any students attending them from your own country or to talk with any alums that are in China, that may be helpful for you. Bowdoin also has a Bowdoin Club in Asia for students and alumni. Their website is: <a href=“http://polarnet.bowdoin.edu/netcommunity/page.aspx?pid=649[/url]”>http://polarnet.bowdoin.edu/netcommunity/page.aspx?pid=649&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I actually do not think there are major differences among the three especially when you compare the vast difference between a liberal arts college education with one at a research university. At these three schools, you will get a great education and college experience-they are among the top liberal arts colleges in the U.S. You must have done your homework to decide to apply to LACs as many Asians tend to apply and favor attending large universities with name recognition. Their reputations are generally earned from the strength of the research by faculty and their graduate programs. LACs on the other hand focus on undergraduate education and subscribe to the ethos that a balanced education that includes many different areas is a strong preparation not only for one’s future career, but also for living an informed and meaningful life. You also will get to befriend or know many of your classmates as well as some of your college professors. I attended a different liberal arts college than these three, and chose to attend it instead of one of the big three ivies that CCers seem to fixate upon. Looking back, I am glad to have had that college experience. I do not think my career trajectory would have been any different for attending a LAC over a prestigious research university; however, I do think that my analytical and writing skills were certainly sharpened with the strong emphasis on class participation and writing assignments at my LAC. I say this, even though, my eventual career has been in the sciences. For further disclosure, I also am an Asian-American living in Asia who has interacted a lot with students and colleagues from China. I know graduates from all three of these schools who are very happy and loyal alumni. I also have a close relative who currently attends Bowdoin and is a happy and loyal Polar Bear.</p>

<p>As I said, the differences are minor but perhaps enought to influence your decision:</p>

<p>Size: Wesleyan (2700) > Bowdoin (1800) > Haverford (1200)</p>

<p>Location: Wes small city in connecticut between Hartford and New Haven. Bowdoin a small town in rural Maine, close to mountains and sea. Haverford is located in a suburb of Philadelphia. </p>

<p>Students: All tend to draw primarily from the mid-Atlantic, NY, NE region even though they have good national and some international representation. All three have roughly similar number of minority students. Bowdoin which had not been ethnically or racially diverse for many years owing to its location in Maine is now one of the most diverse LACs in the U.S. I agree with your point that you will need to integrate into the college community at all three even though there may be some students from your country. I think it is a good opportunity to experience college life in the U.S. From my own experience, many grad students and post-docs from China tend to only associate with other Chinese, and unfortunately some do not develop strong speaking skills despite living in the U.S. for long periods of time and also do not have much understanding of American culture or history.</p>

<p>Course selection: Wes may have more breadth in number of classes because of its size. Haverford has a 3 college consortium with Swarthmore and Bryn Mawr, and offers the opportunity to take classes at Penn. However, due to travel distance and constraints, most students will take courses at Bryn Mawr if they want or need to take a class away from campus. Bowdoin will be more self-contained but still offers a wide range of classes for its size.</p>

<p>Sex distribution: slightly higher F/M at Wesleyan, 50/50 Bowdoin, and 80/20 (if you consider Bryn Mawr which is next door practically). That may or may not be important to you.</p>

<p>Sports: All three have student athletes; however, Haverford does not compete in all sports due to its size. Bowdoin probably has the strongest student-athlete presence. It may have same number of recruited athletes as Wes since they are both in NESCAC; however, the larger class size dilutes their presence at Wes.</p>

<p>Academics: All top notch. If you do well at any of these schools, you should be able to enter a top graduate school in the U.S. or elsewhere in the world. I cannot comment about the social sciences. You may want to look up some of the faculty on the deparmental websites, and even consider corresponding with them. Most are quite open to talk about their department program to prospective freshman.</p>

<p>Music: Wes is probably the strongest but Bowdoin has a strong music scene with state of the art recital Hall. Facilities are more limited at H and it has a combined orchestra with BM.</p>

<p>Frats: Wes still has them but they are a minor part of social life. None at Bowdoin or H.</p>

<p>Honor Code: All three have them. The H code also extends to inter-relationships among students. The Quaker emphasis on tolerance and harmony is quite strong there-some like it as forces members to resolve differences amicably. Others feel it is restrictive at best and artificial at worst. I suppose it boils down to whether you have an idealistic or a pragmatic attitude about human interactions. As a caveat, I would advise you to review carefully what is construed as violations of the academic honor code. While cheating exists in all cultures, intellectually dishonesty has become so rampant at Chinese educational institutions (even if the majority of students and faculty are honest), that not all young students there are aware what the real boundaries are, particularly with respect to plagarism. I am aware of several cases in which the Chinese student violated the honor code of their schools without necessarily trying to be dishonest-they were naive or ignorant about the meaning and ethical rationale for intellectual honesty practiced by American institutions. I also would say that honor codes are much stricter in the U.S., and will be enforced more severely if the student is caught cheating. I know that on the Haverford website one can look up student/faculty judiciary minutes on these matters which in some cases have resulted in suspension or expulsion. </p>

<p>Political: like most top liberal arts college, there is a pronounced tendency to the left (from the American definition). Also all three colleges are noted for their emphasis on service to the community and the world at large. One only has to look at the career paths of many of their alumni. Bowdoin talks about serving the common good, and perhaps due to its location, focuses a lot on environmental or “green” issues. Wesleyan has been stereotyped as “PCU” where everyone has to be politically correct. While unfair, it probably is a place where conservative views may not be as well respected (?tolerated) than the other two. Bowdoin draws some NE Romney-type Republicans and Haverford as a Quaker school necesarily respects a range of beliefs and opinions so there are a small number of social or political conservatives among the students. In spite of this liberal bias, I think you will find that there is considerably more academic and intellectual freedom than you would find at top universities in China. Your right to your own ideas are defended no matter what even if they are at variance with the prevailing ideas among other students and faculty. I don’t want to editorialize but I was disheartened when I read an article yesterday in the NYT about students attending Beijing University who report “deviant” thinking or discussions by their fellow students and professors to school authorities. Differences in opinion in certain sensitive subjects definitely are not tolerated now and sadly it harkens back to the era of “thought police” during the Cultural Revolution. I hope that as a budding young social scientist you will contribute one day to freedom of conscience and expression in academia and society-at-large in China.</p>

<p>[Yongfang</a> Chen ’10 co-authors Chinese book on the liberal arts - The Bowdoin Orient](<a href=“http://orient.bowdoin.edu/orient/article.php?date=2009-05-01&section=1&id=5]Yongfang”>http://orient.bowdoin.edu/orient/article.php?date=2009-05-01&section=1&id=5)</p>

<p>Thanks Cheshire. Book certainly fills a niche in China. Wonder how well it sold since it was launched almost two years ago? Also, an English version of the book may be helpful for Asian students and their parents as more and more Asian students are considering studying in the U.S. for their undergraduate education. I think an English version might sell well in Korea, Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, and India which have large English readerships.</p>

<p>Thanks mufasa104 , your “rambles” are kind and real to me;pmyen, your information is impressive and helpful; Cheshire, the book you posted is exactly what many students and parents(including mine) need.</p>

<p>After reading your replies(they are mostly objective) I am more and more interested in Bowdoin. Her homely campus, challenging weather…they are all very appealing. But the most important aspect, and also the most complicated one, is about academics. Bowdoin’s government major is undoubtfully strong but I went through her 2011 spring courses finding most of them conventional and uninteresting. I am wavering between Wesleyan and Bowdoin because Wes’ CSS takes a broad approach to social sciences but I wonder that Bowdoin’s government and legal major should involve studies on other fields too. The difference is not that obvious then. I am sending an email to the Admission Office to ask for the contact of a government department faculty…</p>

<p><a href=“https://wesfiles.wesleyan.edu/home/elim/web/about.htm[/url]”>https://wesfiles.wesleyan.edu/home/elim/web/about.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>But, seriously, if your heart has honestly fallen for the polar outdoors of Bowdoin, I would advise you to go there. That match doesn’t come around very often. :)</p>

<p>Wow…that’s hard to top. I wonder what he’s going to do when he turns 15.</p>

<p>As a Bowdoin alum, I feel compelled to reply to this thread.</p>

<p>In my opinion, all of the current hoopla about rankings and acceptance rates is irrelevant when you’re talking about the top 20 liberal arts colleges; I’m sure the academics at Bowdoin, Wesleyan and Haverford are comparable and you would get an excellent education at any one of those schools. </p>

<p>To answer your question about course offerings, when I was a student at Bowdoin I discovered an interest in a field that was not offered as a major, but it was very easy to craft a course of studies that allowed me to pursue my particular area of interest. The professors at Bowdoin are very accessible (and wonderful) and they are more than willing to help you tailor your academic program to meet your specific needs and wants. They have an independent study option where you can propose one-on-one courses with a professor of your choice based on whatever topic you like. I took advantage of that option and, in addition, I spent part of my junior year abroad in a specialized overseas program that was not offered back at home. So, in the end, I never felt constricted by the standard options in the course catalogue.</p>

<p>That said, if I were in your shoes, I would base my final decision on the culture of each campus rather than the academics. Having spent 4 years at Bowdoin and visiting Wesleyan on several occasions (where some of my friends were students), I found them to be very different places – in terms of size, location, drug culture, politics, and the typical kind of person they attract. I recommend looking at those aspects of college life on each campus before deciding which school would be the best fit for you. Ultimately, you want to feel comfortable wherever you wind up.</p>

<p>Good luck. No matter what you decide, you’re about to experience some of the best years of your life. I’m envious!</p>

<p>Thanks trufflehunter. I see this is your first post. Actually I am gradually finding out that the college culture aspect is more and more important, especially for students like me who do not have a chance to visit the school. I do think that academics will not be a decisive factor for me while choosing colleges. To me, the school cultural impressions are from the help offered from the admission offices, reviews by current students or alumni, interviewers, collegeguides, etc. I won’t say what I feel about a college is accurate but different sources of information help me shape objective impressions. </p>

<p>Bowdoin is cold but the faculty and student seem nice and the campus is beautiful. But I worry that the small rural town in Maine is not a good place for fun; Wesleyan have my favourite program and several students contact me soon after I was admitted, very nice. But I worry Wes is too liberal and party; Haverford have wonderful location, homely campus(just feel it), well known honor code. But I worry I will get bored there because I can find few things particularly interesting there.</p>

<p>don’t know what you mean… feel like a sarcasm@@</p>

<p>Yes, it was my first post. I was on this site looking at graduate school forums and, out of curiosity, I thought I’d take a look at what was being discussed about Bowdoin.</p>

<p>As far as the environment of Bowdoin goes, I can tell you that I come from New York City and the small town atmosphere of Brunswick was not a problem for me. Brunswick isn’t even that small - I think the population is about 25,000 people, if I’m not mistaken. Coastal Maine is absolutely gorgeous with plenty of outdoor activities to keep you occupied (if you’re into that sort of thing). Most students like to go hiking, skiing, kayaking, etc. It also offers some fabulous off-campus housing because city people who own vacation homes on the coast rent out their homes to students during the year. I lived in a wonderful oceanfront house my senior year. Portland is about 25 minutes away by car and has enough restaurants, bars, shops and museums/galleries to keep you from going crazy during the school year. That said, the reality is that once you’re at college, you’ll spend the majority of your time on campus anyway. There are usually plenty of interesting (and free) lectures, concerts, plays, etc. offered on campus. Now, if only post-college life could be like that…</p>

<p>Politically I found Bowdoin to have a real mix of views with most people leaning to the left side of the spectrum. Wesleyan’s reputation, by contrast, is extremely liberal and i’ve heard from friends who went there that it can difficult for people who don’t share those views to be open about it. Socially, Bowdoin also had a mix. I knew people who partied all the time and people who didn’t party at all, with most kids being somewhere in the middle. The party scene there was mostly beer drinking with some light drugs. I can’t comment on Wesleyan’s party scene but I will say that when I visited there were A LOT of drugs compared with Bowdoin. I think the students even have a weekend devoted to getting high (I forget what it’s called).</p>

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[Doonesbury</a> Creator Makes Fun of Wesleyan, Which Likes It - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/03/the-butt-of-doonesbury-and-proud-of-it/]Doonesbury”>Doonesbury Creator Makes Fun of Wesleyan, Which Likes It - The New York Times)</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2010/11/30/[/url]”>http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2010/11/30/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Here is some more info on the Bowdoin Club of Asia:
[Bowdoin</a> Club of Asia | Facebook](<a href=“http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&viewas=0&gid=2459746945]Bowdoin”>http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&viewas=0&gid=2459746945)</p>

<p>It lists a number of contacts and events in China.</p>

<p>You have been given a lot of good information about these schools and I agree with what has been said about the college cultures. My son is a first-year at Bowdoin and we have friends whose children have attended and really liked the other schools also. S has friends and high school classmates at all three. S was a recruited athlete and Bowdoin was the best all-around school for him. He loves it. We live about an hour from Haverford and are very familiar with the Philadelphia area and its schools. Don’t rule out Haverford. It is very small, but the collaborative relationship with Swarthmore and Bryn Mawr and the easy transportation to those schools and into Philadelphia (UPenn, Drexel, Temple, etc.–tons of college students) expands its boundaries in all regards. Philadelphia is a terrific city, a great place for students and young professionals. The Haverford students I have known are very intelligent, strong students, generally athletic (though not at as high a level as those at Bowdoin and Wesleyan), and interested in serving the community.</p>

<p>Thanks everyone. I received the admission from W&M’s joint degree program with University of St Andrews. The cross-cultural experiences are too appealing to me so I am going to Virgina this fall.(What a farce) I believe I would go to Bowdoin if I were not admitted by the joint degree program.</p>