Interested: Universal Health Care

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<p>can’t be harder than the MCAT or getting into med school…both of which you deemed easy …i think a genius like you should be able to figure it out</p>

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<p>Hmm… 2200 is certainly not 99th percentile. 730/40 is simply not that special</p>

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Actually, yeah, 2200 is 99th percentile.
<a href=“http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/sat_percentile_ranks_2008_composite_cr_m_w.pdf[/url]”>http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/sat_percentile_ranks_2008_composite_cr_m_w.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>i dunno about this. i would like to see a stat on the “true” acceptance rate to med school. that is, when you filter out all the unqualified applicants. e.g. if you don’t meet the average gpa/mcat score by school or overall. i would bet this is much higher than the 40% or whatever that is often quoted.</p>

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<p>umm that definitely wouldn’t be the “true” acceptance rate since by definition half the people at every school and overall are below the “average” (medians are actually reported not means). keep in mind also that med school applicants are very self selecting…noone decides to simply throw away thousands of dollars and hours upon hours of their time applying without having completed the requirements and taken the mcat. ontop of that someone usually wouldn’t apply if they have a low gpa and a low mcat…the process is just so brutal that you would have to be quite delusional to subject yourself to it if it’s pretty obvious you aren’t competitive…there are definitely a few of those around though. sure if you have good numbers (3.6+ gpa and 32+ mcat, definitely not an easy task) you have a much better chance of getting in but but certainly nothing is guaranteed.</p>

<p>here is a breakdown of % accepted (to at least one school) by gpa and mcat:
[FACTS</a> Table: MCAT and GPA Grid for Applicants and Accepted Applicants to U.S. Medical Schools](<a href=“http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2008/mcatgpa-grid-3yrs-app-accpt.htm]FACTS”>http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2008/mcatgpa-grid-3yrs-app-accpt.htm)
and among URMs:
[FACTS</a> table: MCAT and GPA Grid for Applicants and Acceptees to Medical School by Race & Ethnicity](<a href=“http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2008/mcatgpa-grid-3yrs-app-accpt-raceeth.htm]FACTS”>http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2008/mcatgpa-grid-3yrs-app-accpt-raceeth.htm)</p>

<p>CC’er: For the record, I didn’t flag your post. I think someone flagged your post because they realized it was devoid of any marks of intelligent life. In fact, if you met me in person you’d know I’m not the type of guy who would run around ratting on people. I like to truth blunt and harsh. So if you want to say something, say it to my face or send it to me in a private message (I prefer it in person though). Personally, I’m curious as to what you actually said. I think it would be entertaining to read.</p>

<p>I don’t really want to sink to your level and give you my stats and the college I attend because I know there are more important things in life. But let me assure you it’s highly regarded by academics. And by the way, I beat your supposed SAT score in high school.</p>

<p>You’re 17 and you’re talking down to people who actually accomplished something in life already? You realize most of us are already published, right? Some of these people are actually doctors already. They finished what you are dreaming of now before you were born. Think about that one while you’re getting tucked into bed by your mom tonight.</p>

<p>That brings me to the conclusion that this kid either has some huge personality disorder or is ■■■■■■■■. But ■■■■■■ usually don’t try this hard.</p>

<p>??? how do you know you beat my score?</p>

<p>I didnt take the test yet. Based on my last 5 practice tests, my scores average 2300+. Nowhere did i give the exact amount. Im published too lol… I have published poems to various books and magazines.</p>

<p>Again, last time i checked, ■■■■■■ lived under bridges with no WIFI.</p>

<p>which poems?</p>

<p><psst. look=“” for=“” poems=“” without=“” capitalization=“” or=“” an=“” understanding=“” of=“” punctuation.=“” i=“” think=“” the=“” poster=“” may=“” be=“” e.e.=“” cummings.=“” ;)=“”></psst.></p>

<p>e.e. cummings -*In his work, Cummings experimented radically with form, punctuation, spelling and syntax, abandoning traditional techniques and structures to create a new, highly idiosyncratic means of poetic expression. Later in his career, he was often criticized for settling into his signature style and not pressing his work towards further evolution. *</p>

<p>Alternative answer. </p>

<p>I may have found an opening line of a poem by the OP… </p>

<p>“i live under a bridge in nantucket…” ;)</p>

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<p>Yep, giving you the title is certainly what im going to do.</p>

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<p>I is what i is.</p>

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it should be plain for all to see
that I do most heartily agree</p>

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I’m fairly certain that you can’t beat a perfect score. Saying 2300+ indicated to me that you got a little lower than that. But who knows, I’m only in college and you’re a prepubescent high school student.</p>

<p>Really you write poetry? Awesome! Can you write a few lines here? Original lines please, just so we’re convinced you’re not lying. I like poetry.</p>

<p>Okay, I concede you’re not a ■■■■■. As I said, you either have a personality disorder OR you’re a ■■■■■. Why would you admit to everyone here that you have a personality disorder? I suggest you get offline and seek professional help. Maybe you’ll run into a professional here on college confidential who will treat you as a charity case.</p>

<p>And where’s that private message I asked for?</p>

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<p>vouch. 10char</p>

<p>btw…</p>

<p>poetry: not the kind of “publications” that anyone was referring to or really cares about</p>

<p>scientific research articles: the kind of publications that were referred to and that people care about</p>

<p>if he can write poetry why does he use “to” when he needs “too” and uses “advice” as a verb?</p>

<p>i guess poetry is pretty loose with grammar, but the fundamentals? maybe those professional writers he will get to help him on his college apps wrote the poems for him and he put his name on it, another favor his dad pulled for him perhaps?</p>

<p>to make this post unflaggable i’ll offer some input on universal health care:</p>

<p>in a country as large as the united states, universal health care would be too much of a burden on the government. Additionally, as a nation we are not a homogeneous people: the various ethnic backgrounds makes our health needs quite diverse. Universal health care, in my opinion, can be achieved if a minimum option were extended to all citizens yet if some wanted to pay for better insurance, they could from a private source. The key is covering all citizens, not having everyone under the same insurance.</p>

<p>Lol, reading the comments by CC’er made me laugh so hard… There were so many shallow, stereotypical, oversimplified reasoning I’ve ever seen :smiley: But nevertheless, there’s some truth to it.</p>

<p>OK, my part of the contribution.</p>

<p>BDM, your claim that foreign doc’s gap in salary compared to US doc’s is not as large as it seems is totally correct for some western european countries. I know in my european countries, med school is 6 yrs after HIGH SCHOOL, and completely free. 9-12 yrs post high school, you start making money as a practicing physician (inter is 6-9/12 yr period). That means doc’s there start earlier, with a lot less debt, and thus, with the time-value of money accounted, I wouldn’t be surprised if they made very similar quantity of money over their lifetimes as doctors in the US. Heck, I’d prefer making a bit less during my lifetime, starting 2-3 yrs earlier and getting rid of a 250K debt upon graduation from med school than making more with all those disadvantages.</p>

<p>This may have been said already, but IF YOU ARE SOLELY MOTIVATED BY MONEY, DON’T GO TO MEDICAL SCHOOL!</p>

<p>I am now 3 weeks into my third year and on clinical rotations. I walked out of the hospital, post-call at 3 am in the morning. As I’m leaving, I see an elderly (late 60s maybe) pediatrician crashed out in the call room. You give a lot of yourself in medicine and if you hate it, no amount of money will make you happy. The OP said to stay away from the touchy-feely, I like helping people stuff, but really, if you don’t get satisfaction and fulfillment purely from giving yourself to others this is not the field for you. Years and years of training, lots of debt, spending the best years of your life cooped up in the hospital, studying and then studying and then when you get done with that studying some more, etc, etc. Delayed gratification is the name of the game and if you signed up for a great salary and social prestige you will find yourself disappointed more times than not. </p>

<p>All of that said, I still love medicine! :slight_smile: I want to be able to treat my patients and not worry about their ability to pay for care. What I want more than anything at this point is specifics, and as BDM said the current rhetoric is big on promises and light on substance. I hope that everyone, though, regardless of political orientation can recognize is that we can’t go on at the current pace.</p>

<p>I do believe it will affect a physician’s salary.
Because the cost of the care is less, and malpractice insurance will rise, the physician’s overall salary will be affected.</p>

<p>Medicine is not about money. It’s about HELPING PEOPLE!</p>