Interested: Universal Health Care

<p>Hi,</p>

<p>I was just wondering how the universal health care policy will affect feelings on becoming a physician.
The plan will cut premiums by 30%, forcing physicians to logically take a 30% cut in their salaries. If insurers receive less money and start caring for poor people for free, how the hell are they going to pay pre-Obama rates?</p>

<p>Anyways, I was interested in thoughts and opinions of Doctors-in-training about this.
I personally am leaning towards business now if the bill passes.</p>

<p>Please do not give the "love helping people" crap: if you do not believe your going to medical school at least partly for money and social prestige(both will be hurt if bill passes), dont kid yourselves.</p>

<p>wow, you’re a pig.</p>

<p>you’re going there entirely for the salary.</p>

<p>Where have details of this plan been released?</p>

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<p>A 30% drop in salaries is not a necessity. If we cut waste and overuse, physician salaries don’t have to fall by that much.</p>

<p>Me, I just want to see a drop in the cost of attending medical school.</p>

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<p>Now that’s something that I’d definitely love to see! Not to mention that fewer medical graduates would gripe about physicians salaries possibly falling if they didn’t have upwards of $250,000 in education debt.</p>

<p>In the interest of full disclosure, I actually applied to medical school saying that I think we needed health reform of this sort, so I’m fairly excited to see what’s going to happen. My personal thought is that there will be some degree of shifting as to what specialties make the really high salaries, but I think that the average overall wont change significantly. And while I don’t want to give you the “‘love helping people’ crap,” whatever changes come in the medical system, I’ll accept. I can’t see myself doing anything else. Maybe I’m just an idealistic first year (MS2 now, I suppose), but whatever happens, I plan to be a doctor until I retire or until I can’t find a job doing it anymore (something that I frankly don’t see happening any time soon).</p>

<p>i’m surprised that three med students responded to this thread and none have pointed out how uninformed the OP is…this statement is especially ridiculous, shows a lack of understanding of the general framework of the current proposals, and a lack of understand of how insurance works:</p>

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<p>Shraf:</p>

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<p>I couldn’t think of any polite way of responding, so I decided not to.</p>

<p>Wait, seriously – are these details outlined anywhere? Or is the OP making stuff up? Why haven’t I heard of this? My impression was that Obama’s speech didn’t give any details of this sort.</p>

<p>Hmmm… a part of me is glad that you decided to go into business. With your mentality, you’d be happier there and so will all the patients who didn’t end up trusting you with their lives.</p>

<p>I’m definitely not claiming that career stability isn’t a part of why medicine is so appealing. I’m saying that your type of mentality is not suitable for medicine. The fact that a small change in policy that may possibily reduce your future salary has completely shifted your plans says a lot about your motives.</p>

<p>Please do NOT go into medicine!!!</p>

<p>I am very excited to see that we are finally trying to do something, and I think Obama has a generally strong proposal, considering the political climate reform will have to face. We’ll see what we get after congress mangles things…</p>

<p>You mention premiums being cut by 30%. This is not truly accurate. Premiums are proposed to be cut under a public option by the amount of unessential overhead costs and profit (among other factors/areas where waste and thereby costs could be reduced). That may or may not be 30%. In any event, premium rates have absolutely nothing to do with physician pay (reimbursement is set by private and government insurers only partially based on what they charge their clients for coverage/doctors don’t get more pay or less pay simply because someone pays higher or lower premiums…), and if you had taken the time to actually listen to the leading health care reform proposals instead of the conservative pundits you apparently get your “news” from, you would know that Obama understands the implications of low medicare and medicaid reimbursement and the need to increase incentives for primary care physicians (he seems to favor loan forgiveness programs). Whether or not anything actually happens to encourage more to enter primary care is another story, but I have a feeling the market will eventually force something to be done to reduce shortages in certain areas/specialties. The biggest proposed change that could affect physician pay is a shift to evidence based medicine and salaried doctors from the current pay-for-procedure system that disproportionately favors specialists over primary care physicians. This would likely result in less extremes in pay, meaning that primary care physicians would likely make more and specialists could make less. More importantly, it would mean physicians would not face the incentive to test just to make money and would encourage better quality care based on science rather than profit margins and defensive medicine practices (especially if the evidence based standards were used to protect doctors who followed proper treatment guidelines from frivolous malpractice suits as Obama has alluded to). (Note to those more knowledgeable the the OP: I am not proposing that it is better to limit physician autonomy and choice by imposing over-restrictive standards, but in many cases we can show that certain tests and procedures do not benefit patients in a statistically significant way and using this knowledge to reduce costs and protect physicians who follow science is a good idea, at least in theory.)</p>

<p>What exactly do you have against covering poor people(which WOULD be paid for by the way)? Would you rather make a few more bucks and let them die/suffer unnecessary illnesses that could be prevented if they could see a doctor regularly(Note: primary care physicians actually stand to make more under current proposals)? Medicine isn’t about getting rich, and although there are legitimate issues to be raised about the pay in certain specialties given the astronomical cost of medical school, you are just ridiculous and disgusting in your single-minded and misguided reasons for considering medicine. Do us all a favor by staying out of medicine or any other field that you could harm people with your serious lack of ethics. If you do go into business, I hope you have learned from the recent meltdown, but based on your comments, I would unfortunately assume you haven’t…</p>

<p>And please go educate yourself about health care reform. Your immense ignorance only adds to my disgust with you.</p>

<p>…burn</p>

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<p>In my experience, there’s no convincing people how uninformed they are about health care reform (or about anything really). For the record, I do think that he/she is incredibly uninformed about the topic.</p>

<p>The June 29 issue of BusinessWeek (a magazine) happens to have a brief article (one page long only) about this topic. The title is “Bitter Medicine for the AMA”, by Catherine Arnst. I just read a printed copy of this article.</p>

<p>[Why</a> the AMA Will Likely Support Health-Care Reform - BusinessWeek](<a href=“Bloomberg Businessweek - Bloomberg”>Bloomberg Businessweek - Bloomberg)</p>

<p>I post a part of this article below – I apologize if some CCer thinks I should not post such a long message here. Also, I do not know whether the author of this article has a biased view or a valid arument or not.</p>

<p>"…For decades the AMA has fended off reforms that threatened the financial interests of its 245,000 members, about one-quarter of the nation’s doctors. So Obama and his advisers also are pursuing a tougher, divide-and-conquer strategy. The idea is to take advantage of the expanding economic rift between primary-care physicians–a group generally open to reform–and highly paid specialists who thrive in the current fee-for-service culture of U.S. medicine.</p>

<p>Winning over the AMA is a tall order for Obama. Any comprehensive health-care overhaul will dramatically change the way doctors get paid, almost certainly lowering the incomes of some physicians. That’s especially true for the kind of specialists that dominate the AMA. Obama, meanwhile, wants to win the group’s support, or at least grudging acceptance, of his proposal to create a government-funded program to cover some 46 million uninsured Americans.</p>

<p>Obama does have plenty of support for his proposals among non-AMA doctors. A survey of U.S. physicians last year found that 59% support federal legislation to establish national health insurance. Especially supportive are the primary-care doctors, who make $148,000 a year on average. AMA members, on the other hand, skew toward surgeons who pull in $261,000-plus and cardiologists who rake in well over $300,000 a year.</p>

<p>This crowd remains skeptical but is aware of the public anger over runaway costs. The U.S. spent $2.4 trillion on medical care last year. Doctors took home 31% of those dollars.</p>

<p>Obama and White House Budget Director Peter R. Orszag keep pounding away at the idea that the country faces financial ruin if medical-cost inflation, now running some 6% a year, isn’t brought under control. And most economists lay the bulk of the blame for rising costs on America’s fee-for-service payment system, which reimburses doctors for every service and office visit. Pay doctors for volume instead of value, and you run into trouble: As several studies have documented, some one-third of medical interventions in the U.S. are unnecessary, redundant, or incorrect.</p>

<p>A TEAM APPROACH</p>

<p>To change all that, Obama wants to place primary-care physicians at the center of a new delivery system in which they play the point person for a team approach to patient care. The President aims to reward quality over quantity, end overtreatment, and boost payments to general practitioners.</p>

<p>Trouble is, few medical students choose primary care, which is at the bottom of the physician pay scale. There simply aren’t enough family practitioners to go around. To fix that, the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPac), an independent federal oversight panel, has recommended raising payments to family doctors by up to 10%. But the shift almost certainly would come out of the pockets of specialists, setting the stage for a medical house divided against itself.</p>

<p>Obama is trying to soften the blow by promising to limit malpractice lawsuits, which are most often filed against specialists. Ultimately, though, it boils down to this: Will the AMA and its members realize it is in their best economic interest to work with the Obama Administration rather than to go into attack mode? They just might this time, because of a rare division of interests within the medical profession and a popular President relentlessly pursuing an overhaul of health care."</p>

<p>lol @ OP. InPursuit just totally destroyed you.</p>

<p>wow, Inpursuit, awesome post.</p>

<p>^^^^^
Inpursuit
your source???
my source??:: TIME magazine- The 30% cut in pay would be a offshoot of the 30% decrease in premiums.
I would hardly call a Magazine so prestigious and publishes about Cupcakes Vs Democracy as "conservative pundits
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Lets not forgot it will be the specialist whos salaries will be aggressively cut the most. The internist who makes 100k a year will undoubted favor a nationalized healthcare. They make so less they could hardly be counted as “physicians”.</p>

<p>So what if the internist cry about unfair pay? screw them and family doctors. If they want more cash, go into business or specialize. On the other hand, i would treat a radiologist or neurosurgeon (potentially 1 million a year) as a god.</p>

<p>Look at the support for universal healthcare. only 28% of asian support it. Why? Because they specialize in medicine.</p>

<p>… and now the postings don’t make any sense. Here’s the bottom line: Obama still hasn’t announced any details. Until he does, there’s no telling exactly what the plan will or won’t do.</p>

<p>lol that’s one confused individual</p>

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<p>MCAT, I know you’re just citing businessweek, but this is simply an incorrect statement. Obama received boos at the AMA conference when he specifically said that this was not going to happen.</p>

<p>Here’s one of the parents threads</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe-election-politics/729118-national-health-care-all.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe-election-politics/729118-national-health-care-all.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>What I think it will mean for future generations of MD’s is, physicians will have more responsebility for “overseeing” physician extenders, while their “own” practices will be mostly the very sick and complicated.</p>