Internal Transfer from Gallatin to Stern

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<p>Hello,</p>

<p>I am a freshman in Gallatin right now. My primary interest lies in entertainment business and producing. After spending a semester at Gallatin, I have decided that it would be best for me to transfer in to Stern for management/marketing, along with a Tisch producing minor (which I have already declared). I am pretty unhappy with Gallatin, since it it next to impossible for me to get the classes I want with it (I get ****ty registration times, and most classes I want are either Tisch or Stern classes which are next to impossible to get for Gallatin students). Also, I feel like a management degree at Stern would be better for me as a back-up, in case my first choice career doesnt pan out for me (with the Stern name and all). And the professionally designed curriculum would be much better for me as well, as opposed to a self-designed one.</p>

<p>As such, I have applied for internal transfer to Stern from Gallatin. My first semester schedule is this:</p>

<p>Working w/ Groups in Community Settings (A random Tisch class my adviser recommended): A-
Calculus1: B+
1st Year Interdisciplinary Seminar: Globalization: A-
1st Year Writing Seminar: Wilderness & Civilization: A</p>

<p>Cumulative GPA: 3.675</p>

<p>The NYU Internal Transfer website states that the most competitive applicants take classes in Calculus, Expository Writing, Microeconomics, Statistics, Financial Accounting, and Managerial Accounting. I took Calc 1 and Expository Writing (in the form of my writing seminar) my first semester. Therefore, I have included Microeconomics and Financial Accounting in my second semester schedule. As of now, my second semester schedule is this:</p>

<p>Principles of Financial Accounting
Public Speaking
Economic Principles II
1st Year Research Seminar: Imagining Cities</p>

<p>By adjusting to this schedule, my times are INCREDIBLY *<strong><em>ed up (mondays and wednesdays I'm in class for like 5 hours straight, all starting 8 AM), since i had a *</em></strong>ty registration time. But even with this schedule, I am still missing 2 of the subjects (managerial accounting and statistics, which I absolutely just CANNOT fit in.)</p>

<p>I have read some of the threads on this site regarding internal transfers to Stern, and most people seem to say that doing so is next to impossible, unless you have a 4.0 GPA. Do you guys still think I have a chance to transfer there from Gallatin, even though my GPA is less than stellar and I havent taken all the classes they recommend? And do you guys think it is easier or harder to transfer to Stern due to the fact that I am in Gallatin and not CAS? I really ****ed up my schedule to take these Stern pre-requisite classes, and I am now heavily starting to worry that it will all be in vain. If I really have absolutely no chance, then I might as well adjust my schedule so that I could take better timed classes that are more relevant to my Gallatin concentration.</p>

<p>Also, I have as of late been really thinking about/been interested in Tisch's dramatic writing program. I feel like I have the creative talent necessary for acceptance into the program (I was admitted to USC's School of Cinematic Arts last year), and I really enjoy script writing. So I have also been considering a transfer into the program as well, if the whole Stern thing goes awry. But apparently if you get denied from internal transfer once, you have to wait a whole year to internally transfer again, so I'd have to wait until the end of Sophomore year to do so (which is a bit long IMO). So do you guys think it would be better for me to withdraw my Stern app and just apply to Dramatic Writing right now? I have a lot of time until school starts up again to create a portfolio (I am with family far away so I have a lot of free time lol). And is it even possible to withdraw an internal transfer application? Or do you guys think I should wait it out and see if I get in to Stern?</p>

<p>Last but not least, how is the management program at Stern? I seem to only hear about the finance and marketing programs. And do you guys think it is easier to get into the management program since it is smaller than the others? Its the one I applied to.</p>

<p>Thanks a lot everyone. And sorry that this is a bit long.</p>

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<p>a) you have a crappy registration time because you are a FRESHMAN, not because you are in Gallatin. freshmen get shafted in ALBERT because the computer logic is that you have four years to get the classes you want. upperclassmen get priority because they are trying to graduate. it sucks, i know- i had crappy registration times for two semesters in a row.</p>

<p>b) I would withdraw your application from Stern and go to Tisch. you have a better chance of transferring to Tisch, plus you must be qualified if you got into USC. </p>

<p>c) being in Gallatin doesn’t make it any easier or harder to go to Stern, but it’s low chances for anyone. they really make it hard for people to internally transfer. </p>

<p>d) I don’t think your chances of getting into Stern are very high, for reasons that you state yourself: your GPA isn’t perfect and you haven’t taken their recommended classes. </p>

<p>Basically, call your advisor (they should be around, even if NYU is running a skeleton crew of people) and explain everything you just said here. They could probably withdraw your application and help you create one for Tisch. </p>

<p>That’s just my opinion. I sympathize with you; I also have diverging interests in multiple NYU schools and it’s rough. </p>

<p>I hope this helped, somewhat. :-/</p>

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<p>a) registration times at NYU are based on numbers of credits accumulated. So if you have mass AP credits from HS, then you will register earlier relative to other freshman (assuming you have more credits than they do)</p>

<p>b) Don’t withdraw your app from Stern. It’ll be a mistake if you do. Also, I’m sick and tired of people on this board saying internal transferring to Stern is impossible. It’s not that hard. I did it with an okay GPA and got in from CAS. First day internal transfer orientation, there were a few Gallatin students. If you don’t get into Stern, taking those business classes will help you since a lot people who graduate from a non-Stern, non-professional school don’t know how the world really works and how businesses operate/run by the time they graduate.</p>

<p>c) I took Calc I, Econ Princip I, Conwest, WTE first semester freshman year and then Econ II, Calc III, Linear, FA second semester. I took everything else they suggested on the website later obviously.</p>

<p>d) You have a decent chance of getting in. Just show your interest in those short answers on the app and declaration of major on app doesn’t matter b/c admissions knows everyone is probably going to go for finance anyway. Once you’re in Stern, you can basically do anything you want. Your exposure/opportunity to take the different kinds of classes offered at NYU increases substantially. +you basically become a CAS student.</p>

<p>It doesn’t hurt to apply…and it’s free…</p>

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<p>I still think that the OP should try for Tisch, only because in the world of entertainment business, a Gallatin degree won’t carry as much recognition as a Tisch or Stern degree. So while it IS beneficial to take those business classes, I still think Tisch would be better.</p>

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<p>I would be inclined to agree with you guys about the registration times, but most of my freshman friends in other schools had earlier registration times than me, and they had no AP credits posted. And as a Gallatin student, it was much more painful to have a late registration time, since pretty much all the classes I wanted only had one section, or were only open to majors, making me completely screwed. In fact, I took a completely worthless class last semester (Working with Groups in Community Settings) just because I absolutely could not find anything else. And the fact that in Gallatin you are designing your own curriculum means that you will be screwed if you take stupid classes, as you have to defend your concentration in your rationale or whatever. For students in other schools, it seems to me that its not so bad to have a later registration time, as the worst that will usually happen is that you will have undesirable times or professors, since the classes you want either have multiple sections, many open spots, and/or are open to your major keeping students outside your major out. But it seemed to hurt me so much more.</p>

<p>This is why I have so much issue with the Gallatin program. I guess if your concentration is comprised mostly of CAS subjects like French, Political Science, pre-med, etc., then Gallatin is excellent for you since CAS is chill about who they let into their classes. But if any of your primary interests lie in Stern or Tisch subjects (especially Tisch), then you would be better off steering clear of Gallatin since it is so damn difficult to get those classes. Maybe if you wanted just a few Stern or Tisch classes to complement your concentration or just for fun or w/e, then it isnt too bad. But when you are trying to build your concentration around those classes (like me), it becomes excruciatingly difficult. Just putting this out there for future students.</p>

<p>Back to my current situation, I have emailed my advisor on this matter, and am currently waiting for his response. I agree that in the world of entertainment business, a Stern or Tisch degree would hold much moire weight than a Gallatin degree, another major reason why I am attempting an internal transfer. I feel like I have communicated my interest adequately in those short answer questions on my transfer application, hopefully it will help. I basically focused on how I came to Gallatin to explore my interests and that now that I found my primary interest, I would like a more structured, professionally-designed curriculum to study it (aka the Stern management program, coupled with the Producing minor).</p>

<p>I defintely agree that it doesnt hurt to apply. My biggest issue with applying to Stern, though, is that I feel like my chances are too low to get in, and by getting rejected I would have to wait until the end of my sophomore year to attempt a transfer to Tisch. This is way too long for me IMO, as I dont want to be stuck with taking courses in undersirable subjects again for a another whole year. I would prefer to be in Stern over Tisch, but again I would prefer to be in either rather than stay in Gallatin. Which is why I am considering dropping my Stern app so that I can apply for internal transfer to Tisch. Does anyone know how selective the Dramatic Writing program in Tisch is?</p>

<p>Again, thanks for all the advice everyone. It is much appreciated.</p>

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<p>How about submitting external transfer apps ??</p>

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<p>You know that there are Stern/Tisch class sections open to all university students, right? I still think staying in Gallatin is your best bet. You’ve been at NYU for one semester. Give yourself time.</p>

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<p>@nyyankees</p>

<p>it’s harder than that. if the class gets full to capacity of students IN that school (Tisch/Stern), Gallatin students are effectively shut out. at least, that’s what happened to my last roommate, who was a film/MCC Gallatin student.</p>

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<p>missamericanpie: No. There are sections of Stern classes made up entirely of non-Stern students. Granted, there are only a handful of these sections each semester, but they’re available and are dedicated to students from the other NYU schools. There were PLENTY of Gallatin students in the Stern courses I’ve taken. I’ve never taken a Tisch course, and probably never will, so I can’t speak for it but I imagine there’s something similar.</p>

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<p>Only a handful of classes in Stern and Tisch (this is much more so in Tisch) have sections open to all NYU students. And those classes fill up so ridiculously fast, you would have to have a registration time in the early morning on the day registration opens in order to get one of these classes. If it as they say, and registration time is based on seniority, then I wont be able to get those classes until im a senior, when I get to register at the first day they open registration. I’d rather not take classes irrelevant to my concentration until my senior year.</p>

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<p>^Well I’m only a sophomore and have had no trouble registering for the open Stern classes whatsoever. So they don’t fill up “ridiculously fast” (at least not as fast as Gramercy does during the housing lottery…you’ll encounter that soon hehe). Registration is based on credit hours earned. So naturally, upperclassmen have priority, as they’ve earned more credits than a first semester freshman has. </p>

<p>I suggest giving it another try this spring. If you can’t get into your desired Stern/Tisch classes, and want to give up the academic freedom that Gallatin allows, by all means, transfer to Stern or Tisch - though as you already know, this is much easier said than done. I also don’t see why you’re overlooking Steinhardt. I’m pretty sure they have music business or something.</p>

<p>“I’d rather not take classes irrelevant to my concentration until my senior year.”</p>

<p>You sure about this? 9 out of 10 times it works the other way around. Especially if you wind up in Stern/Tisch.</p>

<p>All in all, you have some good ideas, but I think you must understand the implications of a transfer to Stern or Tisch. You’ll give up a LOT of academic freedom. Gallatin allows you to take classes throughout all of NYU and lets you build your own degree. Also, I feel like your reasons for transferring out of Gallatin are insufficient, especially if you’re main concern is formalities like registration. Trust me, you’ll have better luck with this in the upcoming semesters. There are other, more long-term issues one might find with a Gallatin degree, but I won’t get into that. You have 4 years at NYU…What’s the rush? </p>

<p>Anyways, good luck.</p>