<p>Not asking for chances specifically just wondering is it easier or harder generally for an international student living outside of USA to get admitted compared to a US citizen? I'm talking about the top 60 universities.
Do private schools prefer international more than state schools because state schools need to admit more from instate?
Would New Zealand where I'm from count as an underrepresented country?
Would a college with a lower international percentage in the student body admit international easier because they want to increase diversity or harder because that is the reason their percentage is low?
Thank you for answering any of my questions!</p>
<p>Any1? Help plz</p>
<p>No one knows anything about this? Dam…</p>
<p>Harder; the top schools would be filled with international applicants were it the other way around.</p>
<p>Prefer, nope. They have no obligation to in-state students, but they may have more international students than state schools since more internationals are aware of these schools and thus apply, and private schools offer better aid to internationals than do state schools, as funding is primarily reserved for in-state students.</p>
<p>Maybe? I don’t hear of it nearly as often as India, Canada, or China.</p>
<p>Since you’re looking at top 60 schools, harder, because they cap the number of internationals they admit; top schools don’t look to attract international students, as more than enough of these students already come to them.</p>
<p>In future, you’ll probably get better responses to questions about international students from the International Students subforum.</p>
<p>Okay thanks!</p>
<p>There are some state flagships that are required to give preference to instate students and even have a limit to the % of OOS student sthat they’re allowed to accept. </p>
<p>Schools like UTexas, UVA, UNC, UFlorida and some others do give a preference to instate students. I think the UCs do as well.</p>
<p>However, there are many schools that love to accept int’l students, especially if they’re full pay. Since most schools don’t give much/any aid to int’ls, then accepting int’ls can mean lots of money coming into the school. </p>
<p>How much can you pay for college?</p>
<p>What is your major?</p>
<p>Don’t limit yourself to Top 60 schools. There isn’t going to be much/any difference between a school ranked - say 50 - and a school ranked 70. Academic strength is only part of the ranking system, so keep that in mind.</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply I’m thinking to major in business and I don’t need financial aid which should be desirable to schools.</p>
<p>If you don’t need aid, you’re in a good spot. While the very top schools in business (University of Pennsylvania, UC Berkeley, etc.) will remain hard to get into for an international student, being full-pay will open a lot of other doors.</p>
<p>Alright kaliamom thanks a lot!</p>
<p>It is a lot harder for an International Student to get into a top college in the US.</p>
<p>This is because of the financial situations, and lack of opportunities as there are in the US.
New Zealand and Australia especially compared to China, India, Singapore are more difficult to be admitted from since their small population and lack of quantity in terms of activities and opportunities as high school student. </p>
<p>You must be exemplary as a student and most importantly different/unique.</p>
<p>ishfromaus Why would having a good financial situation or a small population be detrimental to admission chances? By common sense wouldn’t universities want full fee and a smaller population would equal less competition/better diversity for the university?</p>
<p>No school wants their students to be less competitive… You need to realize you are applying on an international level…and some activities are available in some countries however not in all.
And most schools would rather students with the financial means for college to avoid providing aid and direct as much aid to local students.</p>
<p>This is just what I reckon…</p>
<p>Just seems like you’re implying students from NZ/Aussie need financial aid or are less competitive internationally.</p>
<p>I can’t really understand ishfromaus’ point fully. But in summation to your orig.question:</p>
<p>1)Int’l applicant pool is much more competitive.
2) Int’l applicants that do not need any or much Financial aid are in a better situation as many colleges don’t have a lot of money to give int’l students. Therefore, if one is “full pay” capable, their applications will be advantaged, in general.
3) I think isfromaus is speaking about “extracurricular activities” that sometimes appeal to US colleges. However, there is no inherent disadvantage to NZ/Aussie applicants. In fact, their English language strength sets them apart immediately.</p>
<p>Hi ArchAngel,
The international landscape is changing. So there is not one answer to your question. Many schools are trying to increase numbers of full payers so anyone is given a plus in the admission process. If you examine the wholesale gold rush going on in China by which schools take hundreds and hundreds of these students you will see what I mean.
On the other hand, the schools at the very top of rankings are distinctly harder to get in if you are from China, or in some cases, just of Asian background.</p>
<p>This is where things get a little tricky for you. If you are a non-Asian applying from New Zealand then you will be given a plus in the admission process at just about any school I know of in the US. The fact is most people in your part of the world stay in that lovely place or go to Australia. So you are a valuable commodity (I use this word on purpose)again if you are not Asian. Schools, of course, will not say this, but statistical analysis pretty much proves it. </p>
<p>I will quote 2 sentences from the most recent edition of Global Trade Magazine. The story is called 50 top cities for global trade. At #3 is Los
Angeles and they say that one of the main reasons is proximity to 73 colleges and universities.
And then they raise the question about why this would be important to global trades. The word they use is “inspiration” and I would agree. The ideas and networks are essential to long term growth. As they say: “If we want trade to grow, we have to inspire the next generation of young tai-pans, and that is precisely what universities are doing these days.” The example they give of this is USC: “They pay scant attention to the legacy applicants of their alumni, yet they scour the world for international students.”
You can bet the alumni are not happy about this. But the money and recognition of the necessary dollars and networks are so vital that in fact it may well be easier for an international student to be offered admission at this great school than if you your mum or dad did. Some would call this forward thinking.</p>
<p>Thanks guys! T26E4 thanks for your clear points and parkemuth thanks for your time writing such a detailed answer. So I guess in summary an international student not needing financial and not from countries with a very large number of applicants such as China or India would have as good a chance as a domestic applicant.</p>
<p>Hi ArchAngel0</p>
<p>I would say you are sitting pretty compared to most domestic applicants in the US. You are a full payer, you come from a place where not many enroll, and you are not of Asian background. </p>
<p>You will need to see about entry requirements as far as timing. The down under schools that are national often finish in what we call mid year here. Some schools will let you enroll in January but the time frame is very tight and some just don’t let you do it so you will need to think a half gap year (I am all in favor of gap years, my daughter just finished one that changed her life).</p>
<p>If you you are attending one of the posh schools they have adopted, or some at any rate, a northern calender and this is true for the small number of international secondary schools too.</p>
<p>Ask the schools about when you can enroll.</p>
<p>Best of luck.</p>
<p>Most of them do require financial aid considering that in aus university is partially payed for by the government… as for some of the activities… I just have never heard of some of most of the ecs people post up being available where I’m from because it is so easy to get into a university here</p>
<p>oh wow I was really confusing in my first couple of posts, my bad but yes I agree with T26E4.</p>