<p>I heard it is harder for international studnets to get into "top" schools. However I heard it is way easier for them to get into others(lyke CMU, Emory, Lehigh, BC etc..).
and is it true that international students only compete with other international students????so chinese only compete with only chinese??thanks.</p>
<p>Your last statement is half-true...internationals compete with each other, regardless of nationality...i.e. there are no quotas on individual countries, although a university does have an idea of how many international students it wants to take (inevitably, each year's pool will be relatively similar in makeup).</p>
<p>There is a flip side to this, though...many international students cannot afford to pay full freight, and thus puts those who don't request financial aid at an advantage (even if the school claims to be need-blind, finaid IS in the back of their heads).</p>
<p>ok so my first statement is correct?</p>
<p>ya its harder</p>
<p>oh, I believe there IS a quota on country origin. At least, that's the case in Vietnam. I have never known 2 students accepted in the same school the same year.
And your chance at top schools depends on a lot of thing. Say, if your country is not represented, your chance will be increased. And if the school lacks diversity, it may even take you over a US student.
I agree with what jpps said about financial aid. Most of the kids from my country are academically qualified, but they usually can afford only about 2k/year. So sad.</p>
<p>Yes I also belive that you get a better chance if you are from an under represented country. For example, if there are 2 people with equally good stats, good ECs,etc and if one was from UK and the other from Yemen, they would probably take on the Yemen one because I supposed they get a little amount of applicants from Yemen.. and hundreds of people from UK apply so.. yeah.</p>
<p>Also, I believe that applicants from countries like China, UK, etc.., where there are lots of applicants, are compared between each other = because they have the same grading system and there are heaps of applicants so it's easy to compare them..
Although like New Zealand, where we have our own system, if I'm the only applicant, they may compare me along with the rest of the internationals.</p>
<p>I agree wit jpps about the whole FA thing</p>
<p>Do any of u guys know if its different for people who are in int'l schools and have lived in several countries outside the home country (like me)?</p>
<p>I believe some schools (Harvard, for example) like that kind of students, cops. They have something like cultural sensitivity, maturity and experience with different living environments. You are lucky! I have never been out of my country.</p>
<p>deferred from harvard. didn't apply financial aid. i dono, maybe my statement might help something....</p>
<p>at need blind colleges : It is very difficult, no dependence on fin aid.
at colleges like Stanford, Brown, Columbia: if u apply for aid its screwed up difficult, if not its relatively easier.
at colleges at CMU, Michigan, UIUC : It is easier, coz the intls pay full cash</p>
<p>I'm not making this up, I'm an intl student and this is based on the students who go to the US from my school.</p>
<p>hello,
does that mean that if u can pay full, (no FA needed), you hav a less of a chance at schools: CMU, Michigan, UIUC - because the intels pay full cash?..
which means that you're competing against intels who don't need FA and that they'll be alot more (no FA needed) applicants at michigan, etc..?</p>
<p>I'm not sure if I make sense..</p>
<p>Let me explain:</p>
<p>Group 1
Schools: MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Williams
These schools are need blind for intls. They want the very best. These schools are very very difficult to get into.</p>
<p>Group 2
Schools: Stanford, All the ivies except HYP, John Hopkins
These schools do offer financial aid to intls but are not need blind. These schools take into account how much cash you can shell out each year for their institution. So if you do apply for financial aid these schools are as difficult to get into like group 1 (someimes harder), otherwise they are relatively easier to get into (compared to our american counterparts).</p>
<p>Group 3
Schools: UMich, UIUC, CMU
No financial aid available, so intls pay full cash. Now, all colleges are business intitutions, they all want money for one reason or another. So IMO these colleges are easier for intls to get in than PR's and citizens of America.</p>
<p>For eg from my school, ppl with 1300's on SAT's into Group 3 schools AND group 2 schools but none of them applied for Financial Aid.
Their EC's were ok and their rank & GPA were good but not spectacular</p>
<p>NoFX, I'm quite sure I don't understand what you mean :D
I think hello said that int'ls (we) have a big chance at CMU or UIUC
to hello: well, I don't think Stanford or Columbia should be defined as 'relatively easy'. They are difficult even when you don't apply for F.A. If you do, I'd say it's nearly impossible.</p>
<p>lol ok.. yeah thanks hello.. sorry -I just didn't understand your first post.</p>