<p>For all the internationals for the class of 13'</p>
<p>I got into Columbia!!!!!!!!!!! ahhhh stats later.</p>
<p>ive never been so happy!</p>
<p>Great news :D</p>
<p>Congrats! With or without financial aid? Just curious since Columbia is said to be so stingy with international aid.</p>
<p>CONGRATS :D I didn't apply anywhere ED so I guess I will be waiting for a while :(</p>
<p>Yeah with aid!!!!</p>
<p>about 25,000 a year....</p>
<p>Wow. That's quite an accomplishment. From what I know, getting FA from Columbia as Int'l is next to impossible...</p>
<p>I wonder how well/badly other int'ls fared (being one myself)</p>
<p>OH MY GOSH, CONGRATS! Looks like Aussies are having a good year ;) Hope you can post your stats later!</p>
<p>post ur stats!! congrats!!</p>
<p>p.s my stats.</p>
<p>SAT: 2050
SAT II: US History 760. Math II 690. Lit 710
GPA: non-existent.
Rank: non-existent.
UAI: 90-100 (my school gives a 10 point range)</p>
<p>honour roll.
mikardi business prize.
nominated for young australian business person of the year.
prizes in english, religion, math, sociology, business, art.</p>
<p>classes: (all A's, some B's)
university prep math. (I think thats your extension???, i dont know, the stuff my cousin was doing for general was easy.)
university prep english. (literature perspective, war lit, journalism, film)
sociology (race and ethnicity, social deviance)
business (marketing, econ, finance, and hrm)
religon (philosophy, youth min, ethics and psychology of religion)
art (painting and drawing)
fashion design.</p>
<p>all A's and B's. (as you know its impossible to get an A in some subjects, like no one at my school got an A in math last sem, but they got a 97. this happened to me in sociology.)</p>
<p>The EC's I put on my app:</p>
<p>young achievment australia (finance director, company partner)
school yearbook (editor)
newspaper (editor and contributor)
youth ministry (leader)
student goverment (representative, worked with UN)
formal committie (fundraising)
fashion show's (model, designer)</p>
<p>music--piano and saxaphone
blog--creator and writter
community service--3000 hours plus with animals.</p>
<p>last summers spent with family, travelling abroad, and working in my fathers firm.</p>
<p>strong essays.</p>
<p>summary of reseach including formal research into the fields of the psychology of religon, marketing and sociology (race and ethnicity)</p>
<p>art:
shown at the national portrait gallery and univ. of newcastle.</p>
<p>conversational in japanease and french. (high distinction in jap. language cert.)</p>
<p>fin aid: parents will put in US$25,000 a year.</p>
<p>thats me!</p>
<p>Congrats on Columbia! I'm in with Harvey Mudd College :) (I'm Canadian)</p>
<p>Wow Braden, that's great!</p>
<p>I'm applying....can you please list your stats?!</p>
<p>Here you go, patched this together from a few threads:</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT I: 2220 (750M, 750CR, 720W)
[</em>] SAT IIs: 730 Math II (ouch, I know...), 740 Chem
[<em>] GPA: 4.0, 92%
[</em>] Rank: No exact rank, top 5-8%
[<em>] APs (including this year's): Calc AB and Physics B (2 of 4 offered at my school, max I could take)
[</em>] Senior Yr Courseload: AP Calc, Chem 12, Musical Theatre, Physics 12, Leadership 12, Math 12, English 12, AP Physics
[<em>] Number of Apps from Your School: Only one, as far as I know.
[</em>] Other stats (Awards, etc.): Royal Commonwealth Society Essay Competition BC - Commended. TRU Chemistry Contest - 94th Percentile, Top 25% on Pascal Math Contest, Principle's List Distinction for three years. Also got athletics and service awards from my school, as well as one of three recipients of a all-around student award. Won a film contest too.
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[<em>] ECs listed on app: Sound/Lighting Crew (Student Director), track/cross country, Film Club (founder), drums/guitar, scuba diving, photography, t-shirt design, website design, outdoor lazer tag coordinator.
Job/Work Experience: Spent a summer working at a web solutions firm for the new Blackberry database and have done freelance web design.
[</em>] Volunteer/Community service: Random stuff around the school and in the leadership class for my program.
[<em>] Summer Activities: Spent last summer at EPGY at Stanford doing Investigations in Engineering, summer before at University of Washington at a film course.
[</em>] Essays (subject and responses): Did the Common App essay for "evaluate a significant experience" on my running, and how it fundamentally changed me into a more focussed and determined individual over time. It was a very passionate essay, got good responses from readers. I did Mudd's "one thing we won't know about you" supplement on the method I use to argue with people, which was rather quirky. I allowed more humour into that one, helped round out my character with the other essay.
[<em>] Teacher Recs: Probably good. Got one who could speak more to my character and my mind, the other more for my academic promise (I've always done nearly perfectly in her classes).
[</em>] Counselor Rec: Better than I expected, was actually quite good.
[<em>] Interview (feel, interviewer and general location): Didn't feel great. Though I felt my answers were decent, I never clicked with the interviewer, and it didn't feel like she understood me, nor did it ever feel like a conversation. Had it at Mudd during a visit with a student worker.
[</em>] Hook (TASP, RSI, Research, etc.): Er... Can't really think of one. My athletics are promising, but that's not necessarily what they're looking for... Being an international was good for diversity, but a Canadian? I'd say my essays were the best part.
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: Canada
[</em>] School Type, Average Stats of School (if available): I'm in a special enriched/accelerated program that piggybacks on a main public school and is itself a public school, just one that requires testing and an interview and whatnot. Generally filled with some of the smartest students, who have a reputation for going onto decent universities, usually at least a couple into Ivies each year.
[<em>] Ethnicity: White as can be, and third generation Canadian.
[</em>] Gender: Male
[<em>] Income Bracket: Middle class.
[</em>] Hooks (URM, first generation college, etc.): None.
[<em>] Strengths: Essay, recs, GPA, the fact that I applied ED, athletics, leadership.
[</em>] Weaknesses: Interview, average SAT, only a few very dedicated ECs, few awards.
[*] Why you think you were accepted/deferred/denied: I guess they liked what I had to offer.[/ul]</p>
<p>Thank you, you clearly fit into the Mudd atmosphere, and the type of student they are looking for. I don't exactly match up with your Stats and ECs, so let's see how things go for me :)</p>
<p>Congrats! I was recently accepted to Georgetown..need money though!!</p>
<p>It does seem really tough for intl student, applying ED and requiring fin. aid. I require substantial aid (like 80%) and just wondering is it wise for me to apply ED to need-aware schools i.e. Upenn/Columbia, particularly if the fin. package doesnt meet my need fully or is full of loans? I'm still confused about how universities calculate your 'demonstrated needs' - my family owns no asset besides the house we live in, so the house doesnt really count since they dont expect my fmailyto sell the house to fund my edu, eh? </p>
<p>Hope someone can clarify, thanks! And I hope more accepted intl will get a chance to post their stats soon :)</p>
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is it wise for me to apply ED to need-aware schools i.e. Upenn/Columbia, particularly if the fin. package doesnt meet my need fully or is full of loans? I'm still confused about how universities calculate your 'demonstrated needs' - my family owns no asset besides the house we live in, so the house doesnt really count since they dont expect my fmailyto sell the house to fund my edu, eh?
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<p>I was advised that internationals should not apply early to a need-aware school. It's very unlikely that they;ll take you in early + give you a generous aid package because their funds are so limited, they'll want to at most defer you and compare you with the rest of the aid-seeking pool. Some schools (Chicago, for instance) specifically state that internationals needing finaid should not apply EA. Come to think about it, it's only logical that they defer you (in the best case scenario).</p>
<p>Of course there are exceptions, like the OP, but those are VERY rare.</p>
<p>Not sure about the demonstrated needs thing but method of calculation varies among universities. Obviously the more generous (think the holy trinity HYP) they are, the more grant they'll give you. Just to give an example: my family income is about US$20,000, our only assets is our house (present market value 200,000USD). Our indicated level of contribution (from parents' savings) is 10,000USD/year. However, my FA from Yale is 100% (scholarship 49k; parents' contribution 0, rest is on-campus jobs)</p>
<p>Most private colleges do count at least some of the equity in your home as available to borrow against to fund tuition. Colleges expect families to have saved for college, so some money from savings, some from income and some from borrowing.</p>
<p>Yeah that's what I thought,but coming from Australia, it is a totally different attitude towards higher education. As long as you're academically capable, you basically get a no/low interest loan from the government and you dont repay that loan back until you've graduated and are earning a salary of greater than $50k. And when I asked a Penn rep when they visited Sydney, she seemed quite reluctant to give me a direct answer and just went off topic, so I didnt think I'd want to enter a binding agreement without knowing about the extent of available fin. assistance =/ Thanks for everyone's input so far :)</p>
<p>I'd beg to differ. Apply. Why..? Simple: If you are accepted by the elitist UPenn or stingy Columbia and the uni does not meet your full need or gives you a lot of loan, you can opt out of the ED agreement!! I I read this on many websites so I am sure it's true!</p>
<p>Barnard College
didn't apply for aid</p>