<p>Hey, on a related note, anyone know about the aid situation at Middlebury, Wesleyan and Vassar?</p>
<p>Wesleyan is not need-blind for non-USers, which means if they want you badly enough they will award you aid; if they do not, they will most likely reject you outright. Some schools profess to be need-blind for international students, but run out of aid after they’ve been admitted.</p>
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<p>Only 7 colleges profess to be need-blind for internationals, and from what I know, all of them have enough resources to pay for every single admitted student.</p>
<p>^^Are you counting Cornell or not counting Cornell? I’ve lost track. :)</p>
<p>Cornell doesn’t meet full need.
[Need-blind</a> admission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“Need-blind admission - Wikipedia”>Need-blind admission - Wikipedia)</p>
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<p>I am counting Cornell.</p>
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<p>How might this be relevant to the discussion?</p>
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<p>It means, you can’t possibly know as a matter of fact that:
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<p>“Some schools profess to be need-blind for international students, but run out of aid after they’ve been admitted.”</p>
<p>Is there documentation or evidence of this running out of aid? That would be horrible PR that I would expect schools to want to avoid.</p>
<p>^ I don’t know if this is relevant to the discussion, but here’s something I read on Wiki.</p>
<p>“Middlebury is a need-blind institution, meaning it does not consider an applicant’s financial situation when making an admission decision. The college meets 100% of all admitted students’ demonstrated financial need. As a result of the financial crisis, Middlebury has altered its need-blind policy for international students. Beginning with the 2008–2009 academic year, the College admits international students on a need-blind basis only to the extent that resources permit.[28] The College continues to meet the full demonstrated need of all admitted international students.[29]”</p>
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<p>6 of the 7 need-blind schools for internationals promise to meet full need, which is why I said they have enough resources to pay for every admitted student. They wouldn’t make such a promise to students otherwise until and unless they are blatantly lying, which they obviously are not. </p>
<p>As for Cornell, yes it doesn’t guarantee to meet full-need, but even then, it will pay for a student it really wants (and a student who deserves full aid). Period. </p>
<p>So coming back to your original statement: </p>
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<p>Re-stating Vossron’s request, any evidence?</p>
<p>@itsmylife99:</p>
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<p>Some schools profess to be need-blind but do not promise to meet 100% of need; sometimes they admit students with less than enough money to completely pay tuition + expenses. That is the plain meaning of providing <100% need. </p>
<p>You wrote in post# 23</p>
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<p>I then, specifically asked whether you were including Cornell among the 7 colleges you claimed to have knowledge of, to which you answered:
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<p>Now, @post #30 you are saying:</p>
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<p>Just to be clear, the word “some” as in, “some schools”, as in “1 out of 7” (e.g., Cornell) do not guarantee 100% of demonstrated need, which to me means, there must be times when they literally “run out of aid” otherwise, why the precaution?</p>
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<p>My apologies - I was speaking in a more broader, theoretical sense, while you were referring to the actual reality. That’s where this whole misunderstanding arose, although I still maintain that this whole “running out of aid” thing doesn’t really mean they have no resources. To me, it means they aren’t very interested in sponsoring internationals (something that definitely holds true with respect to Cornell).</p>
<p>I took “running out of aid” temporally, giving enough in the first year but not later. NYU is a need-blind school that doesn’t meet the full need of all students, but they’re up front about it. They don’t “run out” of aid but rather just don’t have enough from the beginning. I think most private schools would love the bragging rights of being need-blind and meeting full need, but most don’t have enough endowment to support it.</p>
<p>^^My apologies, too. “[R]unning out of aid” was a poor choice of words; it’s more like what Vossron says, “Sorry guys, given the choice between being need-aware and losing our bragging rights as need-blind institutions, we’ve decided to admit you now even though technically-speaking we haven’t the faintest idea whether there’s enough money here to make our school affordable or not.” </p>
<p>I should also add that as a practical matter most need-blind schools probably DO have some idea of an applicant’s general wealth; they know American zip codes (90210) pretty well; they have access to teacher recommendations and essays as well as interviews which may contain indicators of a person’s wealth.</p>
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<p>True, but I think most of the top tier colleges can support all students, but they don’t, although there is no reason why an American university should pay for students from other countries. </p>
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<p>Yes they can estimate the general wealth of an American student (even by high school name, address etc), but they can’t have much idea for an international student.</p>