International student in dire need of help for college recommendations

Hi I am an international student in korea who will be applying to US colleges. I need serious help to find some reach and match schools I could apply to.

My family can provide for around 25,000 USD/year. I would be really grateful if I can get financial aid but I am not certain on how I can optimize my chances to receive it.

I am considering to major in general chemistry or neuroscience. My dream is to get into a dental school for graduate studies.

ACT: 30 (waiting for the retake score)

GPA:
Freshman + Sophomore: 3.68 (UW) 3.78 (W)
Junior: 3.65 (UW) 3.83 (W)
Senior 1st Quarter: 3.61 (UW) 4.13 (W)

I took AP Bio during sophomore year, AP Micro during junior year, and I am currently taking AP Calc AB, AP Chem, and AP Psych for senior year.

Extracurriculars:
President of Robotics Club and MUN Club
Varsity Volleyball for 4 years
Volunteered at dental clinic, robotics conference, and info-desk at Universiade…etc

The University of Alabama Huntsville looks like a safety 17 k a year COA. You can only get merit scholarships not need based. Looks like a full tuition merit scholarships for you there.

https://www.uah.edu/admissions/undergraduate/financial-aid/scholarships

Rhodes, Hendrix, Lawrence, St Olaf are very good for chemistry and may offer enough financial aid, especially if your retake is a 32.

Also consider Wheaton (MA).

When your new scores arrive, be sure to update your thread.

@gearmom Thank you for your help!

@MYOS1634 Thank you for your recommendations. Also, would it be okay to go to a liberal arts college if I am aiming to attend a dental school in the future?

@merc81 Thank you for contributing. And yes, I will update!

Yes, LACs are excellent at preparing students for graduate/professional school.

Congratulations on your hard work and success! US admissions can be difficult for international students who require financial aid. You appear well qualified for many US colleges, and there are many, many schools where a student can get a world-class college education . . . can go on to dental school and other graduate schools.

I suggest you google “US colleges that meet full financial need” and “US colleges that give good merit aid.” The first at least strive to cover all costs that a student cannot meet. It’s not a guarantee. For example, they might calculate your family can pay $35k. But it’s a good group to be looking at. Of course, these lists will include the wealthiest, most competitive schools (Harvard, Stanford) but also others that are very good schools and competitive in admissions, but much more reasonable with your scores and grades. Note, too, that they might be “need aware” and give preference to qualified students who will pay full costs.

Some examples: Grinnell College; Franklin and Marshall; College of the Holy Cross; Macalester College; Lafayette College; Trinity College (Connecticut); Union College. These are all very good schools. Grinnell is in a rural small town in Iowa. Holy Cross, Trinity, and especially Macalester are urban schools. Macalester is probably the most internationally focused school on this list. Franklin and Marshall, Lafayette, and Union are in towns/large towns. All have nice campuses. They all will have cold/very cold weather in the winter.

University of Alabama at Huntsville is a good suggestion. It gives good merit aid. It’s southern and would be much, much warmer. Huntsville is the home of a NASA facility so it has a high-tech community. I like to put up this table for Miami of Ohio (not Miami in Florida). It show very quickly the range of merit aid you might receive there. Note that they super-score for admissions AND financial aid. (Super-score: use your highest scores on the different components of a test to calculate a new composite score. So if you had a high English ACT score one time and a high math score the next, they would use the highest for each to recalculate. Same with SAT.)

http://miamioh.edu/admission/merit-grid/

And, yes, LACs are just as good for dental/grad school. It really depends on the student and the school. For example, Amherst, a great LAC, has a better reputation than many research universities. Universities of California, Michigan, UVA, Texas, etc. are major research universities and considered some of the best schools in the country. LACs typically offer smaller class sizes and closer interaction with professors. They are smaller communities (usually 2000-4000 students). Research universities typically have much bigger classes but also bigger, more active research labs, which provide opportunities, and can have 15,000-50,000 students). It can just be a matter of the type of place a student wants to be.

For dental, medical, and grad school the school one attends is a factor, but your college grades and test scores are overwhelmingly the most important factor. Students do get into these from many, many schools. Good luck!

Miami University (Oxford, OH) charges International students the same as OOS US students, awards merit to internationals and has some special scholarships only for international students.

https://miamioh.edu/onestop/your-money/finaid/aid-types/scholarships/international-students/index.html
https://miamioh.edu/admission/merit-grid/index.html
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/undergraduate-teaching (1-4 are private, Miami 5 is public)

Depending on the financial aid award letter package this school could be in range financially. Links to information for international students http://miamioh.edu/admission/international/index.html http://miamioh.edu/_files/documents/admission/international/international-fact-sheets/intl-fact-sheet-korean.pdf

This is a very good school with a beautiful campus and amenities, but, it isn’t worth moving outside your set price range or paying full price. Your test scores put you in range of receiving enough financial aid that this school should be able to come up with a competitive offer for you, possibly being less expensive than some other LACS and is worth applying to. It will probably be more expensive than UAH suggested in post 1 above, but without applying you won’t know net price.

@TTG Thank you so much for taking the time to read and reply to my post. I really appreciate the information you have provided me with and I will definitely expand my research to include LACs and the universities in Alabama and Ohio.
By the way, could you clarify on what you mean by saying “Macalester is probably the most internationally focused school on this list”?
Also, from the LAC list you have provided, which of them do you think are the most ideal for science majors? (Chemistry/Neuroscience in my case)
And I learnt that Amherst is one of the few 100% need blind colleges for international students besides other ivies like Yale, Princeton, and Harvard. I am aware that Amherst is extremely difficult to get in as well with an acceptance rate of 14%. Do you think it would be too much of a reach to apply to it as well?
And one last question: I was wondering if there should be anything different in an application to a liberal arts college compared to one for a large public/private university.
Sorry I have so many questions…I had them piled up inside but I had nobody to ask. I would be really grateful if you could give me your honest opinion.

Case Western (Cleveland, OH) has good financial aid for international students, too. It is private so the sticker price is high, but nobody seems to actually pay that. Cleveland Clinic is across the street and there is a lot of opportunity for undergraduates to do research. For a lot of international students this school ends up being a solid option. http://case.edu/

@BuckeyeMWDSG @TTG Also thank you for mentioning Miami University in Ohio which seems like a good opportunity with my financial price range. I appreciate the replies and the links you included with them. I will definitely do more research on the school!

You’re welcome.

Macalester, like a lot of schools, has a lot of government/econ majors, and there’s a pretty big international focus here. Also, I believe it has a relatively large % of international students, and it attracts a lot of United World College (UWC) students who are mostly international.

On that list of schools who claim to meet financial aid, I think Holy Cross, Union, Franklin and Marshall, and maybe Lafayette would be my first thoughts if I were looking for science in general. I don’t know specifically especially about neuroscience. If one looks good, you might go to the school’s departmental webpages for chemistry and biology and see what the professors in the department focus on. Do any of them do neuroscience research?

LACs are typically great for small classes and interaction with professors. I’m a fan, although it mostly depends on the students interests, etc. It is good, though, to check to see what the professors work on. The departments will be relatively small.

Amherst is very competitive, especially regular decision. If you’d like to apply, and are willing to pay the app fee, there’s no harm. It will be a long shot, as it is for the vast majority of students. If you are female, here’s an idea. Amherst is part of a five-school consortium with other Western Massachusetts schools–University of Massachusetts–Amherst, Hampshire College, Mount Holyoke College, and Smith College. Students can take classes at the other schools. U Mass in the public state flagship and so I don’t think you’d get much aid there. Hampshire is probably not what you are looking for as a science student. Mount Holyoke and Smith are women’s LACs. I don’t know about there science programs, but the schools generally have very good reputations. Both have very liberal, politically active student bodies, Smith more so. Smith is right adjacent to Northampton, a nice college town and has a unique house system where students live. If female, you could apply to Mount Holyoke and/or Smith–they are competitive but have much higher acceptances than Amherst–and would have access to science classes at Amherst and U Mass. I’m sure you could find the classes you are seeking that way. If male, never mind. (Volleyball is mostly a female sport in US high schools, which is why I’m presuming a bit.) They’d probably offer financial aid, but I’m not sure it’d be enough. Here’s info on the five-college consortium:

https://www.fivecolleges.edu

On the essay questions, schools sometimes want to know why you want to study at that school. It might be helpful in that case to have some idea why you want to study at an LAC and that one in particular. I wouldn’t worry about it for questions more about you. The most important thing is not to try to “game” the essays but to give them the most honest answer possible. They really want to know who you are. If you are honest and authentic, it really comes across well. Often, if it answers the question well, a moment–small or large–in your life that was important to you can be powerful. What happened and what was the impact on you? I know someone who wrote a great, effective answer about going to the doctor, not what happened at the doctor’s office but the actual trip. It told the impact of that trip on their thinking and growth. I’m sure when the admissions rep read it, they felt like they knew the student. I’m not saying do your essay/essays this way, just offering it as a suggestion. Last thought, always stay positive and confident. That’s always important. Good luck!

@BuckeyeMWDSG Thank you again. If you have anymore recommendations, please do tell me here! I would be glad to check them out.

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Case Western is the affiliated university with Cleveland Clinic.

For your qualifications and budget, you might want to focus on 3 kinds of colleges:

  1. Colleges that claim to meet 100% of demonstrated financial need. About 60 schools make this claim (https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-college/articles/2017-09-21/colleges-that-claim-to-meet-full-financial-need). Almost all of them are need-aware for international students, which could hurt your admission chances if your stats are on the borderline. For your qualifications, realistic choices might include: Bates College of the Holy Cross Colorado College Connecticut College Franklin & Marshall Kenyon Lafayette Macalester Oberlin Occidental Trinity College (CT) Union College (NY) U Richmond Wake Forest

Keep in mind that each school defines what “demonstrated financial need” means. To get a rough idea of costs, run the online net price calculator for any of them that interest you.

  1. Colleges that are relatively generous with competitive merit scholarships, which you may be able to identify from the Kiplinger "best value" lists: https://www.kiplinger.com/tool/college/T014-S001-kiplinger-s-best-values-in-private-colleges/index.php https://www.kiplinger.com/tool/college/T014-S001-kiplinger-s-best-values-in-private-colleges/index.php?table=lib_arts Consider some of the following LACs and universities on those lists: Hendrix Lafayette URichmond Rhodes College of Wooster St. Lawrence Beloit Denison Lawrence Centre College

Tulane
Case Western
UMiami
George Washington

These are schools that offer merit scholarships to at least 30% of students, where the average award >= $15K, and where admission isn’t too selective for your stats. Keep in mind that you’d need a larger than average award to be able to afford most of them.

  1. Colleges that guarantee large merit scholarships to students with qualifying stats. http://automaticfulltuition.yolasite.com/ Be careful to exclude any schools that don't make these scholarships available to international students. Some state (public) universities don't offer any financial aid at all to internationals. For what it's worth, the one with the highest US News ranking is the University of Alabama-Birmingham.

Case Western would be great if you get sufficient aid.

Mount Holyoke actually has a neuroscience major. I was a little surprised to see that.

@tk21769 @TTG @BuckeyeMWDSG Thank you for the recommendations. I appreciate your help.